Turning the Tables on SHFL
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:22:30 AM
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This is an open invite to anyone who attended or demonstrated a game at our May or June focus groups:
1. Play all eight of our games at G2E.
2. Vote*
3. E-mail your ballot to rsnow@shufflemaster.com
4. I will print the results on this forum
*Standard voting system:
Great: +10 points
Good: +5 points
OK: 0 points
Bad: -5 points
Crap: -10 points
The games are:
1. Free Bet Blackjack
2. House Money Blackjack
3. House Money Baccarat
4. Straight Jack Progressive
5. Raise it Up
6. Face Up Stud Poker
7. 6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
8. Three Card Mulligan
--Roger
1. Play all eight of our games at G2E.
2. Vote*
3. E-mail your ballot to rsnow@shufflemaster.com
4. I will print the results on this forum
*Standard voting system:
Great: +10 points
Good: +5 points
OK: 0 points
Bad: -5 points
Crap: -10 points
The games are:
1. Free Bet Blackjack
2. House Money Blackjack
3. House Money Baccarat
4. Straight Jack Progressive
5. Raise it Up
6. Face Up Stud Poker
7. 6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
8. Three Card Mulligan
--Roger
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:28:32 AM
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Quote: PacmanThis is an open invite to anyone who attended or demonstrated a game at our May or June focus groups:
1. Play all eight of our games at G2E.
Can you get me in? I like voting, even tho I wasn't at the
May and June public floggings..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:35:11 AM
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Please put me down!
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:37:28 AM
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Quote: WizardPlease put me down!
Shall I put TCM down for +10 already? ;-)
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:50:22 AM
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It's probably a safe bet that the Wizard's followers will give his game high marks.Quote: PacmanShall I put TCM down for +10 already? ;-)
But I'll try to be as objective as possible.
Of course, you gotta realize that I already gave one of these games a review of "Friggin' Awesome". The bar is set kinda high on my ballot.
See ya next month!
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:51:31 AM
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Quote: PacmanShall I put TCM down for +10 already? ;-)
While your at it put Geoff down for +10 on Free Bet ;-).
But wait, those games can't win, they were developed by independents and therefore don't have a chance against SHFL's/Roger's games....
September 2nd, 2012 at 1:20:31 PM
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Roger, since you get a ton of emails, The Subject Line should say "Ballot - G2E" so the can quickly be put in a directory.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
September 2nd, 2012 at 6:35:55 PM
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Now if I can only get a free pass from Raving !
September 3rd, 2012 at 12:56:51 AM
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Thanks for the open invitation, but can't get off work to go. Is there a place online, where I may read about the games in detail? Or, do you have any video clips posted online, demonstrating the games?
September 3rd, 2012 at 4:40:18 AM
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The games that Roger is asking us to review are live money table games, and really require live play to evaluate.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
September 3rd, 2012 at 7:20:26 AM
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Playing the games in person is best.
I want to extend the voting offer to any G2E attendee who is a member of WOV.
--Roger
I want to extend the voting offer to any G2E attendee who is a member of WOV.
--Roger
September 3rd, 2012 at 7:45:39 AM
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Perhaps in return Roger could tell us how these games are doing in real "live play", so we know how far apart WOV member votes are away from the real world :-)))Quote: PaigowdanThe games that Roger is asking us to review are live money table games, and really require live play to evaluate.
September 3rd, 2012 at 7:59:11 AM
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Roger, Will u have SHFL-3 before G2E?
September 3rd, 2012 at 9:50:00 AM
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Quote: ParadigmWhile your at it put Geoff down for +10 on Free Bet ;-).
But wait, those games can't win, they were developed by independents and therefore don't have a chance against SHFL's/Roger's games....
Roger will have an totally independent person count the votes. The late Richard J. Daley !
September 3rd, 2012 at 10:29:27 AM
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You're joking, right?Quote: UCivanRoger, Will u have SHFL-3 before G2E?
Roger is probably up to his eyeballs in work to prepare for G2E.
Additionally, having them in May and June allowed him to do his own analysis of the best games, etc. As a result some of them are going to be shown in the ShuffleMaster booth. Do you really think that would happen if there was another focus group, say, next week?
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
September 3rd, 2012 at 3:23:31 PM
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I think he will get another 12 great games. DO not underestimate his energy and capability, please.Quote: DJTeddyBearAs a result some of them are going to be shown in the ShuffleMaster booth. Do you really think that would happen if there was another focus group, say, next week?
September 3rd, 2012 at 3:28:13 PM
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He is missing out on my latest game. Plus time for Prime Rib again! Getting awful tired of bologna sandwiches.
September 4th, 2012 at 11:56:12 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanThe games that Roger is asking us to review are live money table games, and really require live play to evaluate.
Well then this wouldn't really be turning the tables on SHFL, as thread is titled. As some members commented on Focus Group 1 and 2, that playing for real money makes any game(bets) more exciting when there are real stakes are at risk. Something that wasn't done at the Focus Groups. So, it would not be a comparative type of evaluation that was performed on the games in the Focus Groups. Risk for reward, has its own excitement in itself, this is regardless of the game.
September 5th, 2012 at 4:36:36 AM
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This review will be based upon playing the games at the ShuffleMaster booth at G2E.
I.E. It's based upon play using fake chips.
Yes, live play is the best way to evaluate any game. That's called a "Field Trial" and the evaluators are actual gamblers.
I.E. It's based upon play using fake chips.
Yes, live play is the best way to evaluate any game. That's called a "Field Trial" and the evaluators are actual gamblers.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
September 5th, 2012 at 7:28:42 AM
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Does this mean I will NOT be able to trade my winning chips in for a Kewpie doll ? Sigh
September 20th, 2012 at 1:43:33 PM
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I will be participating in this, probably on Tuesday or Wednesday, or both.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
October 10th, 2012 at 12:45:44 AM
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Here are the rankings of the SHFL games shown at G2E, based on their feedback from players:
1. House Money Blackjack
2. Free Bet Blackjack
3. House Money Baccarat
4. Three Card Mulligan
5. Raise it Up
6. Face Up Stud Poker
7. 6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
8. Straight Jack Progressive
Congratulations are in order for "Switch" (Free Bet) and "Wizard" (Three Card Mulligan).
--Roger
1. House Money Blackjack
2. Free Bet Blackjack
3. House Money Baccarat
4. Three Card Mulligan
5. Raise it Up
6. Face Up Stud Poker
7. 6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
8. Straight Jack Progressive
Congratulations are in order for "Switch" (Free Bet) and "Wizard" (Three Card Mulligan).
--Roger
October 10th, 2012 at 2:09:27 AM
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With the feedback on here, it looks like Free Bet Blackjack takes first... Just my observation... Great job Switch....
October 10th, 2012 at 3:54:30 AM
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Thanks allin' and to all members who took time to play the games and provide their feedback.
It will soon be time to see if the excellent feedback generates installations ... ... now the fun starts ...
It will soon be time to see if the excellent feedback generates installations ... ... now the fun starts ...
October 10th, 2012 at 5:01:51 AM
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I'm still decompressing and catching up on my sleep....
Yeah, House Money BJ and Free Bet BJ are at the top of my list too.
However, as someone who tends to shy away from side bets, I'm giving my vote to Free Money BJ.
In fact, I played it at Golden Nugget Friday night for about an hour or so with Switch sitting at the table, and again on Saturday morning.
FWIW, at GN, Switch was discouraging the playing style I had adopted when playing it at the SHFL booth. (I.E. Capping/pinching bets, swapping cards...)
Yeah, House Money BJ and Free Bet BJ are at the top of my list too.
However, as someone who tends to shy away from side bets, I'm giving my vote to Free Money BJ.
In fact, I played it at Golden Nugget Friday night for about an hour or so with Switch sitting at the table, and again on Saturday morning.
FWIW, at GN, Switch was discouraging the playing style I had adopted when playing it at the SHFL booth. (I.E. Capping/pinching bets, swapping cards...)
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
October 10th, 2012 at 10:15:46 AM
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Shoot, I can't find my notes from the show, but that looks about what I had. Some thoughts:Quote: PacmanHere are the rankings of the SHFL games shown at G2E, based on their feedback from players:
1. House Money Blackjack
2. Free Bet Blackjack
3. House Money Baccarat
4. Three Card Mulligan
5. Raise it Up
6. Face Up Stud Poker
7. 6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
8. Straight Jack Progressive
Congratulations are in order for "Switch" (Free Bet) and "Wizard" (Three Card Mulligan).
--Roger
-House Money and Free Bet were my favorites by far. House money blackjack is awesome. House money baccarat does not really work as well as the BJ version.
-Straight Jack Progressive is just...awful. No more needs to be said.
-I liked the Wizard's game. Not something I would play, but it follows the cardinal rule of taking an existing game and adding one simple tweak (the PaiGowDan method). Works very well, and is fast. It should be a success.
-The stud poker games confounded me, and I didn't really take to them. Too many cards. 6 card fortune was really pretty cool and I like the speed of the game. I hope it has success.
-So my rankings would be: 1. House Money BJ 2. Free Bet BJ 3. Mulligan poker 4. 6 card fortune 5. Stud games. 6. House money Bacc. 8. Straight Jack.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
October 10th, 2012 at 10:32:08 AM
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Quote: teddys
-So my rankings would be: 1. House Money BJ 2. Free Bet BJ 3. Mulligan poker 4. 6 card fortune 5. Stud games. 6. House money Bacc. 8. Straight Jack.
Gotta ask: did you skip 7 just to emphasize your disdain for straight jack? :-)
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