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April 11th, 2016 at 6:49:58 PM
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Cash out all you want , hit as many jackpots as you want, lose 50k it doesn't effect theo
Theo is simply what the machine is set to in their system i.e. 4 percent / so every dollar you play on the machine coin in wise / you get a theo of 4 cents - win 100k first spin still only 4 cent theo
Lose 50k without hitting a single pair or a single winking hand and your theo will be 2k
Theo is simply what the machine is set to in their system i.e. 4 percent / so every dollar you play on the machine coin in wise / you get a theo of 4 cents - win 100k first spin still only 4 cent theo
Lose 50k without hitting a single pair or a single winking hand and your theo will be 2k
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April 11th, 2016 at 7:00:03 PM
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ADT is not actual loss. It is theoretical. They track actual too. They also track "market worth". MW can be assessed over any amount of past visits. I used to think it was past days, but note my other post.
If that card is in the machine when it pays. The computer knows it. If you do free play. It may not count. But all else is considered real money. Also ADT is figured different for VP these days as compared to slots.
If that card is in the machine when it pays. The computer knows it. If you do free play. It may not count. But all else is considered real money. Also ADT is figured different for VP these days as compared to slots.
April 11th, 2016 at 7:08:06 PM
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Most offers are based on theo- Some casinos will override for a large what they call quick loss - I've also seen some slots with lower theo then some video poker / on purpose or not who knows - but usually free play doesn't create theo so it's just backed out / there is much more to it however really only willing to post what I said thus far publicly
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April 12th, 2016 at 11:24:50 AM
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Thanks that is what I thought but I allways see people cashing out and was wondering. Follow up question is with regard to timing. I am thinking the adt as Caesars properties is calculated during their gambling day. So if you say run up 2500 tier credits from say 2am-559am you should stop instead of continuing to play 6am-8am and run up 1000 tier since that second day would bring down ur average. So theoretically with regard to free play its best to bank offers that are valid say 2 days and play it all the second day. Said another way it's better to play one day big vs one day big and then one day small. Is this correct?
April 12th, 2016 at 12:17:56 PM
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Quote: tjanos88Thanks that is what I thought but I allways see people cashing out and was wondering. Follow up question is with regard to timing. I am thinking the adt as Caesars properties is calculated during their gambling day. So if you say run up 2500 tier credits from say 2am-559am you should stop instead of continuing to play 6am-8am and run up 1000 tier since that second day would bring down ur average. So theoretically with regard to free play its best to bank offers that are valid say 2 days and play it all the second day. Said another way it's better to play one day big vs one day big and then one day small. Is this correct?
Most casinos player tracking systems do not break the play up into different days on a per session basis. In other words, if the gaming day end is 4am and you put your card in at 3:30am and play to 4:30am, they would consider that just play on one day. The question is which day is it posted to? It seems to very by casino, some use the day you put the card in while others use the day you take the card out.
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April 12th, 2016 at 3:23:00 PM
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Quote: DRichMost casinos player tracking systems do not break the play up into different days on a per session basis. In other words, if the gaming day end is 4am and you put your card in at 3:30am and play to 4:30am, they would consider that just play on one day. The question is which day is it posted to? It seems to very by casino, some use the day you put the card in while others use the day you take the card out.
That's dangerously erroneous info. If the player takes his card out of the machine to switch machines at 4:05 am, bang, new day.
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April 12th, 2016 at 5:20:13 PM
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I tend to agree with you darkoz at most places however I think d rich does not travel as much and therefore going off of only one or two places
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April 12th, 2016 at 5:36:41 PM
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Quote: darkozThat's dangerously erroneous info. If the player takes his card out of the machine to switch machines at 4:05 am, bang, new day.
You are absolutely correct if they take their card out and put it back in again it would start on the new day. My point was that if you were playing across the new day that carded session would not be considered two different playing days.
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April 12th, 2016 at 5:39:02 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingI tend to agree with you darkoz at most places however I think d rich does not travel as much and therefore going off of only one or two places
My information is based on my 20 years experience of developing player tracking systems.
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April 12th, 2016 at 5:53:28 PM
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Quote: DRichMy information is based on my 20 years experience of developing player tracking systems.
I just wanted to make the clarification because most gamblers consider their "session" a personal thing (I started gambling at midnight and finished at six in the morning) but won't think to consider switching machines after a casinos new day starts as a disruption to their session.
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April 12th, 2016 at 5:57:05 PM
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In fact, a handpay would trigger a new day.
That's because the player might wish to keep playing, stopping only because of the handpay. When the clerk comes over, they pull out your players card, usually insert a casino employee card to unlock the machine. An unwitting patron may not even realize they are triggering a new day without switching machines when they reinsert to continue playing.
That's because the player might wish to keep playing, stopping only because of the handpay. When the clerk comes over, they pull out your players card, usually insert a casino employee card to unlock the machine. An unwitting patron may not even realize they are triggering a new day without switching machines when they reinsert to continue playing.
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April 12th, 2016 at 8:29:35 PM
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So the likely scenario is that if gaming day ends at 6am and you gamble 4-8am without changing machines or pulling out card they record 1 day. If you get up the piss at 7am they will record 2 days. 1 4-7am and 1 7-8am. Either way is this confirmation that the calculation more or less begins and ends in accordance with the casino gambling day not calendar days? I am trying to rationalize a recent dip in comps and this query helps explain some of it. Really appreciate the input.
I did want to confirm cash in seems not to really matter that much to adt. Ie true if the following is correct
Start with $250 in free slot play
Run up 2500 in tier credits (Caesars $10 = 1 tier credit so that's $25k in play
Playing 96% deuces wild 4% of $25K thus adt is $1000 for the day even if you go home with $6K in ur pocket (hopefully).
Understand there are in and outs and have heard denomination and length of time playing somehow are calculated in. Don't why they would care if you rub through $25K playing $1 or $5 a play vs $2 or $10 a play but it may.
I did want to confirm cash in seems not to really matter that much to adt. Ie true if the following is correct
Start with $250 in free slot play
Run up 2500 in tier credits (Caesars $10 = 1 tier credit so that's $25k in play
Playing 96% deuces wild 4% of $25K thus adt is $1000 for the day even if you go home with $6K in ur pocket (hopefully).
Understand there are in and outs and have heard denomination and length of time playing somehow are calculated in. Don't why they would care if you rub through $25K playing $1 or $5 a play vs $2 or $10 a play but it may.
April 13th, 2016 at 6:40:26 AM
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Tjanos88, it sounds like you have a pretty good grasp on it now. Some casinos can act differently but most do it as you described.
I don't know of any casino that treats denom and time played any differently as far as ADT goes. Some casinos will treat larger denom players a little different when it comes to marketing offers.
I don't know of any casino that treats denom and time played any differently as far as ADT goes. Some casinos will treat larger denom players a little different when it comes to marketing offers.
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April 13th, 2016 at 7:06:25 AM
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Should we assume that table play, say at BJ, that each hand is a new game? And that when the 'day' used for calculating ADT changes to a new day, like at 6 AM, that now your play occurs in and is calculated as 2 days?
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April 13th, 2016 at 7:12:54 AM
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There is ZERO chance each new hand counts that way except st meadows casino- It works the same way as slots the clock you in and out not by the hand -
Except at meadows as mentioned
Except at meadows as mentioned
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April 13th, 2016 at 8:49:41 AM
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Hmmmm...Bear with me here, I'm not that bright ;-) This thread caught my attention because this year, 2016, I seem to be getting squat, or almost squat, for the same play that last year was accumulating 2500 and 5000 Bonus TR credits every day I played. This year it's 125 Bonus, WTF? I didn't change, I'm the same crazed maniac casino sucker I was last year, run obscene amounts of $$ across the table for my little bankroll and near 100% ROR. I sent 3 questions to my host via email, labeled 1,2,&3. He confirmed the 6:00 AM, as the 'day', and ignored the other two. I think the rules may have changed while I wasn't watching as closely as I should. They didn't tell me the old rules, and if they have indeed changed, they don't seem to be inclined to tell me the new ones either. hmmm...Quote: WizardofnothingThere is ZERO chance each new hand counts that way except st meadows casino- It works the same way as slots the clock you in and out not by the hand -
Except at meadows as mentioned
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
April 13th, 2016 at 8:57:38 AM
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I get much better comps per dollar waged at the tribal casinos I frequent than I do through M Life.
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To hell with M Life!
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April 13th, 2016 at 10:33:17 AM
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Understood. Would seem like too much work to analyze at denom level but maybe they have a hook that looks at what denom the majority of play is at.
April 14th, 2016 at 12:06:19 AM
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Quote: DRichMy information is based on my 20 years experience of developing player tracking systems.
Heeheeheehee...snarkily well said.
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April 14th, 2016 at 12:30:25 AM
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Yes but can we really trust a guy who's been ducking up casino tracking systems for 20 years?☺Quote: beachbumbabsHeeheeheehee...snarkily well said.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 14th, 2016 at 6:48:12 AM
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Quote: tjanos88Understood. Would seem like too much work to analyze at denom level but maybe they have a hook that looks at what denom the majority of play is at.
The last I heard. The rule for Caesar's properties was 4 hours of play per day to get the full ADT or market worth for that day. Does anyone know if this has changed ?
If 4 hours is what they want ? Then if you play 12 hours does that make any difference ? The thought here centers around you are using their facility. Maybe the magic computer might think it is time for new players to hit the floor ?
So to answer another question posted here. The denom that you play and the time you play does effect ADT. It for sure is not the tier score for that day.
April 14th, 2016 at 6:54:56 AM
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I would strongly disagree with what was just posted above
Not even sure what you mean but my full effect.
I have with a friend played the exact same amount coin in on my account and him in his
He played 10k coin in on 25 cent denom and I played exactly 10k coin in on 25 dollar denom/. Received the exact same offers don't not sure again why you feel denom effects most offers
Not even sure what you mean but my full effect.
I have with a friend played the exact same amount coin in on my account and him in his
He played 10k coin in on 25 cent denom and I played exactly 10k coin in on 25 dollar denom/. Received the exact same offers don't not sure again why you feel denom effects most offers
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April 14th, 2016 at 7:41:40 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingI would strongly disagree with what was just posted above
Not even sure what you mean but my full effect.
I have with a friend played the exact same amount coin in on my account and him in his
He played 10k coin in on 25 cent denom and I played exactly 10k coin in on 25 dollar denom/. Received the exact same offers don't not sure again why you feel denom effects most offers
While WizardofNothing and I disagree on a lot, he is correct. Denomination means nothing.
Why should it? 10K coin in is 10K coin in.
However, house edge does have some effect at some casinos. For example, video blackjack oft times requires a lot more coin-in than slots for the same offers regardless of denomination.
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April 14th, 2016 at 7:46:06 AM
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Yes , obviously it differs by machine - so I agree in that aspect
Also I am not sure where above poster got that time matters, if I play incredibly fast on slots and you play incredibly slow I promise you that whoever gets more coin in gets better offers regardless of 4 hours or 23.9 hours or ten minutes
Also I am not sure where above poster got that time matters, if I play incredibly fast on slots and you play incredibly slow I promise you that whoever gets more coin in gets better offers regardless of 4 hours or 23.9 hours or ten minutes
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April 14th, 2016 at 7:53:39 AM
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Quote: darkozWhile WizardofNothing and I disagree on a lot, he is correct. Denomination means nothing.
Why should it? 10K coin in is 10K coin in.
However, house edge does have some effect at some casinos. For example, video blackjack oft times requires a lot more coin-in than slots for the same offers regardless of denomination.
More than one host at different properties have explained this the same way. If it takes 16 hours for someone to do 10,000 in versus someone that can do it in 4 hours. The second player will have the higher rating.
These guys are more slippery than a can of worms. Multiple ways to rate a player.
April 14th, 2016 at 7:55:40 AM
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Word of advice- hosts know nothing
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April 14th, 2016 at 8:07:50 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingWord of advice- hosts know nothing
One of the most true statements ever posted on this forum.
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April 14th, 2016 at 8:16:38 AM
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Lol If I had a dollar every time a host told me something that was completely inaccurate
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April 14th, 2016 at 8:23:02 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingLol If I had a dollar every time a host told me something that was completely inaccurate
A casino host is a salesman. An analogy would be the car salesman. They can quote you some facts from the brochure and they probably know how to drive a car, but they definitely do not understand how all the internal parts work.
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April 14th, 2016 at 8:34:01 AM
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Quote: DRichA casino host is a salesman. An analogy would be the car salesman. They can quote you some facts from the brochure and they probably know how to drive a car, but they definitely do not understand how all the internal parts work.
Host know nothing. In fact, I have heard them definitively tell me things I knew were wrong but could not mention how I knew.
I have heard this same misinformation be identical from other hosts at the same casino.
It is my belief upper management or marketing likes to mislead their own employees as they are more afraid of collusion than anything else.
So, yes, hosts disseminate lots of bad info.
Secondly, time simply doesn't matter. In fact I had one host tell me that I should just play one penny a spin for 12 hours because that was better than max bet for four hours. Yea, right!
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April 14th, 2016 at 10:24:22 AM
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Quote: darkozHost know nothing. In fact, I have heard them definitively tell me things I knew were wrong but could not mention how I knew.
I have heard this same misinformation be identical from other hosts at the same casino.
It is my belief upper management or marketing likes to mislead their own employees as they are more afraid of collusion than anything else.
So, yes, hosts disseminate lots of bad info.
Secondly, time simply doesn't matter. In fact I had one host tell me that I should just play one penny a spin for 12 hours because that was better than max bet for four hours. Yea, right!
Casinos are having this conversation internally. Geoff whosis (CEO of CET) spoke about it at a seminar. For table play, time matters. They like people who show up 1 or 2 x a year, maybe quarterly, bet huge, go away. They're less fond of people who play small amounts a lot, use a lot of offers and facility resources (rooms, host time, lounges etc) though still fond of them. So time playing matters on tables along with average bet size, and which game for the HE multiplier.
However, on slots and VP, it's nearly all coin-in. Easiest metric to track, most objective. They can adjust up or down if they have reason to on special offers extended and amount of free play, but they're mostly locked in to tier rewards they publish and incentivize with.
I have run across many mediocre to bad hosts. I'm lucky to have a very good one for 7 years now, and have had a couple in the past who had their act together.
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April 14th, 2016 at 10:30:27 AM
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In reality it's coin in at tables too.... The only reason people say time is it's easier to understand
25 dollar average at 50 hands an hour is 1250 total wagered. Some places time at tables means zero. If you go to meadows and sit at the table where in theory that deal 10 hands of blackjack an hour you will have next to no theo.. So frustrating that no one explains it right most of the time
Slots - all based on coin in
Tables all based on what they program as the hands per hour at the table - multiplied by your average wager at the table (as per the pit boss) multiplied by what the casino programs as the hold on the game.
25 dollar average at 50 hands an hour is 1250 total wagered. Some places time at tables means zero. If you go to meadows and sit at the table where in theory that deal 10 hands of blackjack an hour you will have next to no theo.. So frustrating that no one explains it right most of the time
Slots - all based on coin in
Tables all based on what they program as the hands per hour at the table - multiplied by your average wager at the table (as per the pit boss) multiplied by what the casino programs as the hold on the game.
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April 14th, 2016 at 10:35:12 AM
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You might be confusing that little rule with table games.Quote: foghornleghornThe last I heard. The rule for Caesar's properties was 4 hours of play per day to get the full ADT or market worth for that day. Does anyone know if this has changed ?
If 4 hours is what they want ? Then if you play 12 hours does that make any difference ? The thought here centers around you are using their facility. Maybe the magic computer might think it is time for new players to hit the floor ?
So to answer another question posted here. The denom that you play and the time you play does effect ADT. It for sure is not the tier score for that day.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 14th, 2016 at 11:34:05 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou might be confusing that little rule with table games.
This.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:33:48 PM
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This? This what? You left me hanging here, and I thought you were supposed to be the responsible one in this discussion. Abracadabra. No complaints, not here. What were we discussing?Quote: beachbumbabsThis.
<edit> it's an old expression, I have no idea whatsoever why it ends with a bra. Pure coincidence prolly.
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
April 14th, 2016 at 1:39:58 PM
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Totally agree. If I blow $1K in an hour with $10K coin in would think same as if it took 4 hours of play.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:47:51 PM
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I just found out my host at Horseshoe Baltimore was fired. Does anyone have a good contact point and address I can send a complaint letter to about all the misinformation and unfulfilled promises she made to me. I am not really looking for any accommodation but think if I send a letter to the host manager in Baltimore it will just be trashed.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:53:07 PM
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Just to be clear when we use the term coin in we mean coin played for which tier score can be used to calculate. Ie 2000 tier at a machine that gives 1 tier per $10 played = $20,000 "coin in". Sorry if I am being broken record. Gets back to my previous point of turning free play or a say $100 bill into a long session of play
April 14th, 2016 at 2:00:55 PM
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Once you cycle the free play through once - i.e. Play 100 dollars coin in on 100 free play then anything else would count dollar for dollar towards coin in
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April 14th, 2016 at 2:54:03 PM
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Whitney? Was she fired? The e-mail seemed pretty abrupt. They usually don't notify you when someone leaves, so I surprised to get it.Quote: tjanos88I just found out my host at Horseshoe Baltimore was fired. Does anyone have a good contact point and address I can send a complaint letter to about all the misinformation and unfulfilled promises she made to me. I am not really looking for any accommodation but think if I send a letter to the host manager in Baltimore it will just be trashed.
She was helpful the one time I used her services.
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April 14th, 2016 at 3:01:20 PM
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Just FYI, I also got an email from a different total rewards property just last week that someone that was my host left the property so maybe it's something new they were doing
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April 14th, 2016 at 11:58:28 PM
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Yes. I will dig around this weekend but that is what I heard. She was good when I 1rst for her but had been pretty terrible the last 4ish months or so as far as communication, response time, and following up on things. I got her when John cole was promoted and he didn't even inform me of the change she just introduced herself one day.
April 15th, 2016 at 12:05:33 AM
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Perhaps the fact she was offering to much is why she got fired?Quote: tjanos88I just found out my host at Horseshoe Baltimore was fired. Does anyone have a good contact point and address I can send a complaint letter to about all the misinformation and unfulfilled promises she made to me. I am not really looking for any accommodation but think if I send a letter to the host manager in Baltimore it will just be trashed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2016 at 10:12:40 AM
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From my experience doubtful but maybe others got offered a lot of stuff. I had 400K tier last year and when I moved to live in q4ish to maintain there I began being treated as a peasant. I pretty much hurt myself by only going there to redeem offers on December and giving them little cash play. The only extra thing I ever got from her were skins tickets to the suite. I think horseshoe Baltimore caters to super high gamblers and makes money mainly on food and drinks as most of the people there are not gamblers or really small gamblers. Promotions have gone downhill evident by the weekly Saturday drawing where they only call 5 names. Don't see a lot of value running up tier for chances except on Tuesdays when it's 10x
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April 15th, 2016 at 10:17:31 AM
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Well that is the reason
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April 15th, 2016 at 11:29:10 AM
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I have come to the conclusion that 250K is the most I will do at cet properties. Side note is that using just offers in December (more or less) resulted in $15K in profit. The other thing that pussed me off at horseshoe batimore is that vp poker players are apparently excluded from their top 100. I know a lot of batenders their and they said my name was listed on the list they showed during their pre shift meetings as big players in terms of tier score but whenever I asked total rewards they said no Bueno
April 15th, 2016 at 12:19:16 PM
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Well, you know back when they had 9/6 Jacks at $1 and higher people were playing it a ton -- racking up a ton of tier credits.
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April 15th, 2016 at 12:28:50 PM
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Yes. But the thing is my name was on the list they displayed in their pre shift meetings so i presumed I was in top 100 at least. This was q4 2014 and q1 2015 after that I stopped trying
April 15th, 2016 at 6:56:44 PM
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Is Cheryl Cantranbone, exec host still at Baltimore ?
That Top 100 is a gimmick. The rules change all the time. Only a few properties even have it.
At one property a year ago played 150k tier in 3 months. Not invited. Asked host about it. Said I didn't lose enough actual cash..
That Top 100 is a gimmick. The rules change all the time. Only a few properties even have it.
At one property a year ago played 150k tier in 3 months. Not invited. Asked host about it. Said I didn't lose enough actual cash..
April 16th, 2016 at 9:09:36 AM
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Quote: foghornleghornIs Cheryl Cantranbone, exec host still at Baltimore ?
That Top 100 is a gimmick. The rules change all the time. Only a few properties even have it.
At one property a year ago played 150k tier in 3 months. Not invited. Asked host about it. Said I didn't lose enough actual cash..
whats the advantage of getting top100?
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