Diamond in a Day- How much $ to bring?

9/6 JoB, so .5% HE.

$10 coin-in = 1 tier point
15k tier points = diamond status

(2500 tier points get a bonus 5k tier points) x 2 = 15k

so 2.5k tier points = $25k coin-in
25k x .5% = $125 theo lost x 2 = $250 theo lost for Diamond

but how much to bring for each of those 2 sessions? (so Diamond in 2 days.. lol)
and how long would it take each session for an avg person?

also, I should play at the $2 demon instead of $1 incase I hit the royal, right?


edit:
opps.. 2500 tier points get 5k tier point bonus, and 15k tier points is needed for Diamond, not 10k.
anyway, the result is the same. doing 2500 tier points twice gets me Diamond.
coin-in math is the same

5000 points gets 10,000 bonus points

But where are you finding 9/6 at $10 per tier point?

$1 is the same as $2 except twice as many hands. Just make sure it is max coins so you get max value on royal

If you play $1 at max coin, that's $5 per hand.
You need $50,000 to get 5000 points (plus 10k bonus). So you need 10,000 hands

If you play 1000 hands an hour, that will take 10 hours
$2 machine will take 5 hours

I think $7000 should cover a bad swing

Playing the $1 10/6 DDB at Rio only has an expected loss of $100 for the Diamond level.

Quote: DRich

Playing the $1 10/6 DDB at Rio only has an expected loss of $100 for the Diamond level.

um.. you're going to be there forever at $50 coin-in for 1 tier point?
and I don't live in vegas. if I play at rio then I will only get freeplay offers from rio.

Quote: 100xOdds

um.. you're going to be there forever at $50 coin-in for 1 tier point?
and I don't live in vegas. if I play at rio then I will only get freeplay offers from rio.

They offer it in 10 play so it shouldn't take more than 6 hours if you play on the fastest speed.

If you are not in Las Vegas often it probably won't be optimum for you. I used to get lots of offers from all the Vegas properties, New Orleans, Tunica, and San Diego from my Las Vegas play.

Quote: 100xOdds

and I don't live in vegas. if I play at rio then I will only get freeplay offers from rio.

You'll get freeplay offers from all vegas properties, but yes, you won't get much outside vegas.

Quote: 100xOdds

um.. you're going to be there forever at $50 coin-in for 1 tier point?
and I don't live in vegas. if I play at rio then I will only get freeplay offers from rio.

But you will be able to get free rooms at many of their casinos across the country just by logging in, even without play at those casinos if your ADT is high enough. Not sure if that is important to you or not.

That said, with your plan your ADT will not be that high and you wont get many free play offers even where you make Diamond. So short of entry into the Diamond Club, some free show tickets in Vegas and skipping a few lines, the benefits are just not there. People don't like Loveman and his programs, but they do a great job of determining your value to them and VP players are not high on their list if you are playing the best machines.

Gold and Platnium slot players will have higher ADT and will get better offers. Of course they will also lose more in theory so they are more valuable to the casino.

Quote: 100xOdds

9/6 JoB, so .5% HE.

$10 coin-in = 1 tier point
15k tier points = diamond status

(2500 tier points get a bonus 5k tier points) x 2 = 15k

so 2.5k tier points = $25k coin-in
25k x .5% = $125 theo lost x 2 = $250 theo lost for Diamond

but how much to bring for each of those 2 sessions? (so Diamond in 2 days.. lol)
and how long would it take each session for an avg person?

also, I should play at the $2 demon instead of $1 incase I hit the royal, right?


edit:
opps.. 2500 tier points get 5k tier point bonus, and 15k tier points is needed for Diamond, not 10k.
anyway, the result is the same. doing 2500 tier points twice gets me Diamond.
coin-in math is the same

Just remember that the criteria for receiving tier points on video poker is double that of regular slots. So if you wanted to get Diamond in a Day, should be faster on slots. This a quote from Total Rewards website:

"Slot Machines

Earn 1 Tier Credit for every $5 you play on a reel slot machine and for every $10.00 you play on most video poker machines*.

Some machines have higher earn rates and these games will be clearly marked with the different rate."

1.5x - 2x your worst case scenario. Always sucks to run out of money during a play.

I along with some others have done a bunch of 50k plays on $5 9/6 JOB. Run it through in a little over 2 hours. $5k will be good 95% of the time.

If you're playing $1 or $2 denom....I'd think $3k would be about as bad of a swing I could imagine.

$1 and $2 denom have same return. $1 takes longer but less variance. $2 is shorter but higher variance.

Quote: RS

I along with some others have done a bunch of 50k plays on $5 9/6 JOB. Run it through in a little over 2 hours. $5k will be good 95% of the time.

If you're playing $1 or $2 denom....I'd think $3k would be about as bad of a swing I could imagine.

$1 and $2 denom have same return. $1 takes longer but less variance. $2 is shorter but higher variance.

No way you should think 3k is as bad as u could imagine.

Quote: RS

I along with some others have done a bunch of 50k plays on $5 9/6 JOB. Run it through in a little over 2 hours. $5k will be good 95% of the time.

If you're playing $1 or $2 denom....I'd think $3k would be about as bad of a swing I could imagine.

$1 and $2 denom have same return. $1 takes longer but less variance. $2 is shorter but higher variance.

Ask me about losing $4k in $30k coin in on $5 9/6 jacks

Quote: AxelWolf

No way you should think 3k is as bad as u could imagine.

On $1 denom?

Not once was I ever "in" for $5k or more.

Maybe "as bad as I could imagine" isn't the proper wording. More like "95% of the time you'll be good with $3k (on $1 denom)".

Quote: RS

I along with some others have done a bunch of 50k plays on $5 9/6 JOB. Run it through in a little over 2 hours. $5k will be good 95% of the time.

If you're playing $1 or $2 denom....I'd think $3k would be about as bad of a swing I could imagine.

$1 and $2 denom have same return. $1 takes longer but less variance. $2 is shorter but higher variance.

well, my thinking for doing the $2 denom is both for time AND the $8k royal (instead of 4k @ $1 lvl).

hm.. need $3k at $1 lvl.
so $6k at $2 lvl?!

btw- I'm just playing $25k coin-in per session since the tier point bonus is the same 2x if it was 2.5k tier points or 5k tier points earned in a day.

Quote: 100xOdds

hm.. need $3k at $1 lvl.
so $6k at $2 lvl?!

I would be comfortable playing the $2 single line 9/6 JOB with a $4k bankroll.

Quote: djatc

Ask me about losing $4k in $30k coin in on $5 9/6 jacks

The first time I did DIAD I took $3k to play the $5 9/6 JOB and was down $2500 and was sweating it. Fortunately, I started hitting and only lost $400 on the play.

Didn't Allen claim his son had some crazy session on $1 8/5 bp or somthing where he hit like 3 or 4 royals in one day and still lost (including travel time from prim)

Quote: AxelWolf

Didn't Allen claim his son had some crazy session on $1 8/5 bp or somthing where he hit like 3 or 4 royals in one day and still lost (including travel time from prim)

$12k-$16k in Royals and still down to get 15k tier points?!
how much was the coin-in for one tier point at this $1 8/5 bp machine?

wait.. what does travel time have to do with this?!

Quote: 100xOdds

well, my thinking for doing the $2 denom is both for time AND the $8k royal (instead of 4k @ $1 lvl).

hm.. need $3k at $1 lvl.
so $6k at $2 lvl?!

btw- I'm just playing $25k coin-in per session since the tier point bonus is the same 2x if it was 2.5k tier points or 5k tier points earned in a day.

Doesn't matter if you do a single $50K play or two separate $25K plays. But if you do it all in one day, you're have a higher ADT (Average Daily Theoretical) and you'll get better free play offers, which IMO, is only reason to do DIAD. [Then again, I don't give a rats a** about diamond lounges or skipping to the front of the line or whatever other diamond privileges there are.]

$1 denom = $5/pull
$2 denom = $10/pull

If you're going to $50,000 coin in, that means at the $1 denom you're doing 10,000 pulls (or hands). At $2 denom, you're doing 5,000 pulls. You expect a royal once every ~ 40K hands.

Royal Flush expectation: (Hands Played) / (40,000)
$1 denom - 1/4 or 25% chance at a $4k royal
$2 denom - 1/8 or 12.5% chance at an $8k royal



At 1,000 hands per hour, it'll take 10 hours at the $1 denom and 5 hours at the $2 denom.


According to my "Video Poker Variance Calculator" (which is just an Excel spreadsheet with formulas in it)....

Name	EV	Coin per Line	Standard Deviation	Unit	Goal	SD in $	# pulls	Expected Result	-1 SD	+1 SD
9/6 JOB	-0.00446	5	4.41754185	1	50000	2349.878149	10000	-223	-2572.878149	2126.878149
9/6 JOB	-0.00446	5	4.41754185	2	50000	3323.229548	5000	-223	-3546.229548	3100.229548
9/6 JOB	-0.00446	5	4.41754185	5	50000	5254.487279	2000	-223	-5477.487279	5031.487279

Mind you, this is for single line, not multi-line. I assume my formulas are correct.....correct me if something's wrong though.

For standard deviation, I used:

= ( Standard Deviation * Unit * Coins Per Line) * ((Coin in Goal / (Unit * Standard Deviation ))^0.5 )

-1 SD is just EV - SD
+1 SD is just EV + SD

I assume these are correct?

If the "Allen" was me -- that was my son who in about 24 hours hit five $4,000 royals and still lost money. One of the royals was about $4,300 on a $1 progressive at Gold Strike in Jean. He played almost continuously for 24 hours but after each $4,000 royal he moved up to $5 and $10 video poker for a period of time. He never hit a royal at $5 and $10 but only when he returned to $1 vp. Just one royal at $5 or $10 and he would have had a big profit -- instead of a loss. Had he stayed at $1 he would have had a nice win, we figure.

Best way to hit Diamond or 7 Stars is at Rincon in San Diego where there is full pay 8/5 Bonus and full pay 8/5 Aces and Faces. There is also a full pay Super Aces Bonus machine which I believe is close to 99.9%. These full pay games are at $1, $2, and $5 and you get 1 tier point with $10 coin in.

I don't know of any full pay video poker at a Caesars property in Vegas for only $10 per tier point coin in at less than $25 denomination. There are $5 and $10 and $25 8/5 Bonus games and 9/6 Jacks games but they require $25 coin in for 1 tier point.

If you move up to the $25 denomination and the $100 denomination in the Palace Court there are full pay games and you earn tier points at the rate of 1 tier point for each $10 bet. So on a $25 denomination video poker you theoretically could play ONE COIN per hand for 2.5 tier points per hand; or you could play 5 coins for $125 per hand and earn 12.5 tier points per play.

I am pretty sure that all of the multi line VP games in Vegas have reduced pay tables. At Rincon in the high limit room they have a 5-play machine with full pay Bonus poker with denominations from $1 to $5 per coin.

RS,

thx for the calc!

so at $2 denom, I need $3500 for a 68% chance (1 SD) of not going broke before completing DIAD?

as for ADT, after I reach Diamond, I'm probably going back to the normal 75 tier points to get a $10 free play offer every 4 days.
then off to play live poker.

so if I'm going to be doing $750 coin-in every week, then does it matter if I do a single $50k coin-in session vs two $25k coin-in sessions for ADT?

Quote: 100xOdds

RS,

thx for the calc!

so at $2 denom, I need $3500 for a 68% chance (1 SD) of not going broke before completing DIAD?

as for ADT, after I reach Diamond, I'm probably going back to the normal 75 tier points to get a $10 free play offer every 4 days.
then off to play live poker.

so if I'm going to be doing $750 coin-in every week, then does it matter if I do a single $50k coin-in session vs two $25k coin-in sessions for ADT?

Initially, play one 50k is better than two 25k plays.


As for 68% -- not quite. You'll be within 1 SD 68% of the time. Meaning you'll be between -3500 to +3500 (or thereabouts) 68% of the time.

Baltimore is a good place to play at the moment -- pros are hitting it hard. But offers are drying up.

100xodds, did you ever end up doing this? I'm contemplating doing this as well... and would really appreciate knowing how it worked out for you if you indeed did it.