Single play vs 100-play
I find 100-play to be more exciting than single play. Assuming the same pay tables are used, is there a severe disadvantage to playing 100-play machines? Referring specifically to full pay deuces wild.
Thanks!
David
The expected value (max bet) therefore is 4000*1/47 + 15*7/47 + 10*3/47 + 125*4/47 - 5*32/47 = 95.122. This is the case if the pay table is the same no matter how many hands are played.
On 100 hands (max bet), your expected value is 9512.22, but the likelihood of you ending losing 500 units is practically zero. At the same time the likelihood of you hitting 400,000 credits is also zero. Your variance is therefore much lower.
One hundred hands offers a "smoother" game. Hitting a royal on a single pay $1 machine will yield you $4,000. Drawing a royal on a 100 play $.01 machine will yield you $40. You're playing with the same bet amount, but you are more likely to get nickeled and dimed out of existence.
Quote: boymimboWell, your variance will be lower. For example, when you get 4 to a royal -- say 10-J-Q-A (with a low offsuit as the fifth card), in any hand, playing one hand, you have a 47:1 chance of pulling the royal, a 7:47 chance of pulling a flush, a 3:47 chance of pulling a straight, and a 4:47 chance of pulling a wild royal.
The expected value (max bet) therefore is 4000*1/47 + 15*7/47 + 10*3/47 + 125*4/47 - 5*32/47 = 95.122. This is the case if the pay table is the same no matter how many hands are played.
On 100 hands (max bet), your expected value is 9512.22, but the likelihood of you ending losing 500 units is practically zero. At the same time the likelihood of you hitting 400,000 credits is also zero. Your variance is therefore much lower.
One hundred hands offers a "smoother" game. Hitting a royal on a single pay $1 machine will yield you $4,000. Drawing a royal on a 100 play $.01 machine will yield you $40. You're playing with the same bet amount, but you are more likely to get nickeled and dimed out of existence.
That's exactly the explanation I was looking for and it makes perfect sense! Thanks boymimbo!
While in this scenario getting a Royal is nice, it's hardly expected.Quote: boymimboWell, your variance will be lower. For example, when you get 4 to a royal -- say 10-J-Q-A (with a low offsuit as the fifth card), in any hand, playing one hand, you have a 47:1 chance of pulling the royal, a 7:47 chance of pulling a flush, a 3:47 chance of pulling a straight, and a 4:47 chance of pulling a wild royal.
However, with the 7:47 chance of a flush means on a 100-play, I should see about 14 or 15 flushes after the draw. Similarly, the 3:47 for a straight, means I should see 6 or 7 straights, etc.
It's fun to see the math - as well as deviations - show up so vividly on the 100-play machine.
(Of course, while in a casino, I can only do the mental math when I'm drawing only one card.)
Quote: fremont4everIf you somehow find 100x FPDW, please let me know. If any exist anywhere near Las Vegas, I would expect the line for them to be out the door.
Two of them at Excalibur...
Quote: jinxkaiserTwo of them at Excalibur...
Where have you found them in Colorado?
Quote: CrystalMathWhere have you found them in Colorado?
If memory serves, The Lodge. At the machines by the craps tables.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI had 4 to a royal only once playing all 100 lines on 9/6 JoB and ended up with 3 royals.
I had 4 to a royal on my second ever 50 line play. And I didn't hit a single royal. I can't complain too much because on my first ever 50 line play I was dealt four of a kind!
50 or 100 line play is very exciting when you are dealt a pat hand because you get a huge swing that isn't typically seen in the game.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI had 4 to a royal only once playing all 100 lines on 9/6 JoB and ended up with 3 royals.
There are actually 100-play machines that have JOB with a 9/6 pay table?
In Las Vegas?
Where?
Do you have to play $.25 or $1 per line to get that table?
Quote: jinxkaiserTwo of them at Excalibur...
Thanks for sharing, but I'm dubious for at least four reasons:
1) MGM is not noted for having great video poker,
2) The Strip is not noted for having great video poker,
3) The Excalibur, in particular, is not noted for having great video poker throughout its history, and
4) Multi-line machines tend to have short pay schedules everywhere.
I want to believe, but full-pay deuces wild with 100 lines for pennies would be worth about $40/hr to someone who could play perfect strategy - not including any casino benefits. I suspect there are too many grinders in town to whom that kind of return would be irresistable. If it exists, I would expect management to put in the "4" chip to replace the "5" chip in very short order.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis was in Detroit and it was 1 cent denomination, $5.00 max bet.Quote: ten2winThere are actually 100-play machines that have JOB with a 9/6 pay table?
In Las Vegas?
Where?
Do you have to play $.25 or $1 per line to get that table?
I think Teddys and Nareed discussed this game sometime during the summer. I'm bad at using the search function on this site, and I can't find the conversation. If i remember right, Terrible's has 100 play 9/6 JoB. (sorry if I'm misremembering)
In Vegas, you can find multiline at the following places:
10 play $0.05/$0.10 Deuces Wild at Rampart
50 play $0.05 Deuces Wild at South Point (with 0.3% cash back)
50 play $0.01 Jacks or Better at Palms.
That's all I can think of -- Ellis Island has a few things too, but the place is a dump. Honestly, I do most of my play at the above three.
Quote: rdw4potusI think Teddys and Nareed discussed this game sometime during the summer. I'm bad at using the search function on this site, and I can't find the conversation. If i remember right, Terrible's has 100 play 9/6 JoB. (sorry if I'm misremembering)
I don't think it was Terrible's. As I recall, Terrible's is quite horrible at VP :) (I don't really know, but the word play is hard to resist).
You may want to try the search functions on VpFree. What I did find was a 50 line $0.01 $0.02 denomination full pay JoB at The Palm's, as well as 100-play BP full pay at $0.25 I had better luck searching by casino than by game. Go figure.
Actually Terrible's doesn't look so bad, at 1 line.
Reading all of that makes me really want to take a trip to Vegas. I can only play 97% VP and H17 BJ for so long before I need a fix of better gaming...
Quote: rdw4potusI think I found the previous conversation about multi-line VP that I was (mis)remembering earlier.
That's quite impressive. Given the volume of posting on this site, finding a thread in the tapestry is hard.
