Deuces Wild 100.76% vs Joker Wild 100.64%

I started out with 9/6 JOB way back when and loved the low volatility. But I stopped gambling once they butchered/raised the VP machines and raised the BJ minimums. I just recently started playing online once I saw that I could play +EV games. I currently play DW on Saturday (only day you can), but I noticed they have Joker Wild on Sunday too. Well I'm wondering if it's significantly different to play. I have 2 programs, VPSM and BDWP, which basically turn you into a perfect player, but I'm just curious if any of you went from JOB to DW to JW or similar.

Also, I noticed the volatility is actually slightly higher with JW, but I don't understand, because DW has significantly more money tied up in the higher payouts. So how is JW more volatile than DW, or even the same?

DW is volatile, but not as volatile as the DDB or DB games. It is a good mix of volatility and return, in my opinion. JW is not much higher volatility-wise, but the strategy is much harder to learn. I would master DW first.

I assume this is at some online casino and you are playing for money and that your using decision-making bots or decision-aiding guide programs is acceptable to the casino. Are you saying that the Deuces Wild variant of video poker is offered by the casino on Saturdays as some sort of loss-leader?

Quote: FleaStiff

I assume this is at some online casino and you are playing for money and that your using decision-making bots or decision-aiding guide programs is acceptable to the casino. Are you saying that the Deuces Wild variant of video poker is offered by the casino on Saturdays as some sort of loss-leader?

Yes, these are +EV promo games on 5Dimes that go on for 6 hours per week each.

I keep hearing about these bots, but do that many people use them? I bet you get caught easily once they see you're taking 1 second per hand, and I've seen 5Dimes chat logs with some pretty hostile stuff from this Tony guy, even cancelling legit sport bets from people and then taking extra money out of their account as punishment unless they apologize and admit they knew the line was wrong. But no, I don't use a bot, just 2 programs, WinPoker and VP Strategy Master from ZamZone. I printed out strategies and used them in actual casinos, which is not even frowned upon. These programs turn me into a VP machine, making absolutely perfect plays, which is so much more rewarding and fun than using a bot. Just curious though, why would it matter if I was using a bot or something the casino was against?

Quote: teddys

DW is volatile, but not as volatile as the DDB or DB games. It is a good mix of volatility and return, in my opinion. JW is not much higher volatility-wise, but the strategy is much harder to learn. I would master DW first.

I already have mastered DW. I guess I'll learn JW then, since it's a money maker. Kinda funny I'm asking these questions, when I have a very nice VP simulator/trainer. I looked at the analysis for each game again, and realized that I was simply taking the top 3 jackpots for each game, and adding up their % of total return, that's why it appeared as though JW was much less volatile. But after a closer look, I can see why JW could be more volatile.

I actually have only played JOB and DW, never any other game. Double Bonus and all those types seem fun, but they also seem really hard to learn, and very volatile. The latter of which is confirmed, with a single coin variance of 41 compared to 25 for DW. Not sure what exactly it means by variance, like what does 41 or 25 mean, but it sounds very volatile, which I can't do with only $100 or so I'm willing to lose before I hit one of the jackpots.

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I've gone through $100's betting $1.25 on the DB and DDB games without hitting a single quad, so it can happen.

Quote: gofaster87

What denomination are you playing? $100 is not much to try and hit a jackpot unless your maybe playing nickel poker.

I'm betting 25 cents per hand, yes. I'm already down $50 though, and I've played under 5000 hands. I ran sim after sim on http://www.vpgenius.com/video-poker/deuces-wild.aspx , but not once have I lost anywhere near what I've currently lost. So either that sim is bogus, or 5Dimes is bogus. Something has to give, because I'm down 250 credits and if you watch the chart there as you keep running the sim, you'll never dip even down to even -100 credits. Must be the sim, right? I'll run the sims on WinPoker, see what comes up.

Well, on my first freakin sim on WinPoker, I lost 600 credits in 10,000 hands, so ya, you could say that sim on VPgenius is fail.

Quote: teddys

DW is volatile, but not as volatile as the DDB or DB games. It is a good mix of volatility and return, in my opinion. JW is not much higher volatility-wise, but the strategy is much harder to learn. I would master DW first.

Wow man, I just got into JW, and boy is it screwy. Hold a 5-9 with a Joker? Hold 4 to a wild flush instead of 3 to a wild royal sometimes? Ya, it's harder.

I actually don't even remember learning DW, and I only started playing it 1 month ago. I played JOB like 3 years ago, and no VP since, and I picked up DW very quickly. JW is hard though. I'm thinking I should get to the point where I know DW so well that learning another game won't hurt my accuracy/speed on DW, which I feel it will. Then when I know it that much, then I'll come back to JW.