Deuces Wild, Paytable 4x on Four-of-a-Kind, 4x on Full House instead of 5/3

At the website of wizardofodds I have read there is a 100.76% EV when you play Video Poker Deuces Wild, if you apply optimal strategy and if there is a "full payout" table (the best possible one).

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Now I see there are many online casinos which have a payout table quite the same like that, except that they offer 4x for a Four-of-a-Kind (insted of 5) and 4x for a Full House (instead of 3). How would this rather small, but I guess, significant change, change the expected value? Are we still over 100% with that.?

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Quote: Davediablo

At the website of wizardofodds I have read there is a 100.76% EV when you play Video Poker Deuces Wild, if you apply optimal strategy and if there is a "full payout" table (the best possible one).

-> https://wizardofodds.com/deuceswild

Now I see there are many online casinos which have a payout table quite the same like that, except that they offer 4x for a Four-of-a-Kind (insted of 5) and 4x for a Full House (instead of 3). How would this rather small, but I guess, significant change, change the expected value? Are we still over 100% with that.?

Thank you

Bye

No, that difference makes it under 100% because four-of-a-kind is more common than a full house. A couple of paytables that are common online:

1/2/3/4/4/9/15/25/200/800 -> 98.91% return
1/2/3/4/4/10/16/25/200/800 -> 99.74% return. This paytable is called "Not so ugly Deuces wild" btw.

You can browse more paytables at www.vpgenius.com for example.

Quote: Jufo81

No, that difference makes it under 100% because four-of-a-kind is more common than a full house. A couple of paytables that are common online:

1/2/3/4/4/9/15/25/200/800 -> 98.91% return
1/2/3/4/4/10/16/25/200/800 -> 99.74% return. This paytable is called "Not so ugly Deuces wild" btw.

You can browse more paytables at www.vpgenius.com for example.

Is there a casino which offers a payout table like wizardofodds is describing?

The Wizard has a recent addition to the WizardOfOdds site that has various pay tables for the most common games, located here. And you can print a PDF file to take it with you if you'd like.

I believe the pay table you are referring to has a payback of 99.96%, if there are no other changes to it.

You can search for VP games here and it doesn't show any full pay DW as being available online.

I'm curious how many of you would have played this hand this way. I enjoy the 100-play VP (and 50-play when 100 isn't available), but this Deuces Wild Bonus isn't all over town so I wonder if I played it right. The pic of the paytable is at Red Rock, but the 50-play win with 5 threes is at Gold Coast tonight.

Thoughts? Would you have held only the deuces?

One thought: I would have played the maximum bet. Rule of thumb with Video Poker: max bet every time.

You made the correct play. I ran it through Winpoker to double check and the return for holding just the 2's was 79.75 v. the 200 for the 5 OAK.

BTW, that pay table isn't very good for that game at 95.34%. The "full pay" version is 99.45% and while I don't know if you can find that on 100 play I've seen it in many places for single line.

I absolutely would have done the same thing.

Look at it this way:

First, consider a lesser paying hand, such as five 6-K with three deuces. That pays 20. Throw the pair away, and the hand value is reduced to a minimum of 4 of a kind, paying 4. So throwing the pair away costs a minimum of 16.

When throwing the pair away, you're hoping to get that last deuce, which will happen once in 47 times. To keep it simple, figure once in 50 times. That means, instead of colleting 1,000 (20 * 50), you're hoping to get 49 * 4 + 200 = 396.

Sure, some of those hands will draw another pair - roughly 1 in 11 redraw a pair. And maybe one will be a pair of aces. But, again, to keep things simple, figure 5 pairs, some will be in the same 6-K range, returning the 16 you previously gave up, some will be 3-5 or A, so figure it increases the payout an average of 20, or 100.

That makes the total expected payout about 500. From the original 1,000.

Maybe you get a few wild Straight Flushes and Royals, which pay 10 and 25. Increase the expected payout to 600 or 700. Maybe even 800. Still not a good deal.

Then remind yourself that your particular hand was paying 2,000.

Yeah, holding all cards was the right thing to do.

I don't know how to play the hand, but you should definitely play the max, even if it means dropping down to fewer hands.

South Point has a nice DW44 game for nickels at 50 hands.

Okay, thanks for the advice guys. I'll search out that South Point game. The single-line games don't give me a thrill like 100-play machines when the turbo button is on and watching the cards really light up, but I'll check it out since it's a 50-play. Thanks!

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Quote: gofaster87

These are the only two deuce games really worth playing.... but I do know which Vegas casinos have them.

Yes? And they are...??

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Quote: zippyboy

Yes? And they are...??

Indeed. I'm seriously thinking I've dicovered a medical condition I'll call Gambler's Nomenclaturephobia.

BTW How much where you betting when you drew the 5 of a kind? I know that doesn't affect the expected value, but if the bet is low enough, then a higher risk is justified.

What is the obsession with Deuces Wild multiplay? If video poker is the cocaine of gambling, DW multiplay is the crack cocaine. Nothing like getting three deuces on the deal and seeing how many times you can connect. (My record is 6 out of 50). The only two casinos I know of who have the game in anything approaching a decent paytable are South Point, and Rampart. I don't even know if the Rampart still has them. If you are someone who cares the slightest about good gambling, it is worth trekking out to either. Nice properties otherwise, too.

Quote: teddys

What is the obsession with Deuces Wild multiplay? If video poker is the cocaine of gambling, DW multiplay is the crack cocaine.

I have yet to see cocaine with a positive EV :P

So what drug is 100 hand JoB Quick Quads? Heroin-Cocoaine with Vodka and Adrenalin shot straight in the heart muscle? I mean, you get dealt AA226 and you know you'll get paid for two pair on all ahnds, plus some full hosues, plus how many AA222 quick quads? And the machine even shouts out "Quick QUads!" when you hit one.

At that I've only played it online...

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Nothing like getting three deuces on the deal and seeing how many times you can connect.

Nothing like hitting four deauces and not even seeing it eh? ;)

I'm really sorry about that, BTW...

Quote: Nareed

So what drug is 100 hand JoB Quick ...?

Nothing like hitting four deauces and not even seeing it eh? ;)

Nothing like getting 100 handjobs quick....

Quote: zippyboy

Nothing like getting 100 handjobs quick....

You got two hands. Is something stopping you? :P