9/7 DB: Lost $1k in 750 hands
October 26th, 2025 at 4:06:13 AM
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It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
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October 26th, 2025 at 4:48:36 AM
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Quote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
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It sounds like just bad luck to me. When I read the thread title I thought you lost $1000 playing quarters, that would have been more impressive
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October 26th, 2025 at 4:56:38 AM
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Well, how many rewards points did you accrue and how much money would that represent and how many spins would that represent. I lost $25 in 26 spins on the home game the other day so that's about a $1 loss per spin on $1.25/spin or an 80% loss rate.
If you lost $750 in 750 spins at $5/spin, you lost 20%. Seems a bit much. I would expect a typical 8% loss or a $300 loss. But these games have streaks. I could play for 2.5 hours without hitting a quad, or go 40 hands and hit 2 quads.
If you lost $750 in 750 spins at $5/spin, you lost 20%. Seems a bit much. I would expect a typical 8% loss or a $300 loss. But these games have streaks. I could play for 2.5 hours without hitting a quad, or go 40 hands and hit 2 quads.
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October 26th, 2025 at 3:25:13 PM
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Quote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
link to original post
It doesn't look like Class II to me.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 26th, 2025 at 3:49:34 PM
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According to my calculations, one standard deviation for this game at $5 per hand for 750 hands is $732, so you lost only 1.36 sd.
750 hands in a game with a 40,000 hand "cycle" is basically nothing.
Definitely just bad luck.
750 hands in a game with a 40,000 hand "cycle" is basically nothing.
Definitely just bad luck.
October 26th, 2025 at 4:13:42 PM
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Quote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
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Seriously? I have gone over 2000 hands in VP without quads. And I have also hit quads twice in two hands.
It's luck. About half of it will be bad.
October 26th, 2025 at 11:28:10 PM
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Why not?Quote: DieterQuote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
link to original post
It doesn't look like Class II to me.
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I have seen some normal-looking VP (looked like IGT to me) machines in Indian reservations that have good paytables recently in Washington state. There were no strange features on the game. They had an entire multi-game bank of them and various ones throughout the casino
If they are legit, then there's probably some good opportunities to be had( Mail, drawings, promotions, etc.)
I ran very poorly in the short time I played.
Perhaps I should revisit since there is unlikely to be any competition.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 27th, 2025 at 12:17:44 AM
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I'm down $2,323.75 on a lifetime bet of $28,824.50 with total winnings of $26,075.75 in 20,729 spins on my Roku 4 Video Poker game. There's different denominations I've tried, but no Royals yet. So that's a payback of 90.46% or losing half a coin for every 5 bet before the Royal. I could win $1K, or $2K, or $4K with the different denominations here, so I could pull ahead depending on when the lucky hand hits. But with another 20K hands to go, I could be down $4K when it hits and only win $1K.
October 27th, 2025 at 12:52:22 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfWhy not?Quote: DieterQuote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
link to original post
It doesn't look like Class II to me.
link to original post
I have seen some normal-looking VP (looked like IGT to me) machines in Indian reservations that have good paytables recently in Washington state. There were no strange features on the game. They had an entire multi-game bank of them and various ones throughout the casino
If they are legit, then there's probably some good opportunities to be had( Mail, drawings, promotions, etc.)
I ran very poorly in the short time I played.
Perhaps I should revisit since there is unlikely to be any competition.
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In Washington, you should know better. It's all TLS, right? (Read the compact!)
The Class II I see usually has a more enticing paytable displayed, and is a mandatory multiline with a novelty feature. There are also other indicators. (I'm in the wrong jurisdiction to capture field images for at least a week.)
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 27th, 2025 at 6:04:29 AM
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As I said, the machines I came across do not have any novelty features, and the pay table is 9/6 jacks.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfWhy not?Quote: DieterQuote: 100xOdds
It's supposed to a quad every 500 hands, on avg.
So 750 hands is a little behind.
But does that explain 73% loss on a 99.1% machine???
Gafted machine?
Class 2?
Or... ?
link to original post
It doesn't look like Class II to me.
link to original post
I have seen some normal-looking VP (looked like IGT to me) machines in Indian reservations that have good paytables recently in Washington state. There were no strange features on the game. They had an entire multi-game bank of them and various ones throughout the casino
If they are legit, then there's probably some good opportunities to be had( Mail, drawings, promotions, etc.)
I ran very poorly in the short time I played.
Perhaps I should revisit since there is unlikely to be any competition.
link to original post
In Washington, you should know better. It's all TLS, right? (Read the compact!)
The Class II I see usually has a more enticing paytable displayed, and is a mandatory multiline with a novelty feature. There are also other indicators. (I'm in the wrong jurisdiction to capture field images for at least a week.)
link to original post
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 27th, 2025 at 8:02:00 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
I have seen some normal-looking VP (looked like IGT to me) machines in Indian reservations that have good paytables recently in Washington state. There were no strange features on the game. They had an entire multi-game bank of them and various ones throughout the casino
Those were probably Class III games. All 29 of Washington's recognized tribes hold Class III gaming compacts. I believe many are limited to XXX Class III games and they fill the rest of the casino with Class II.
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