rsactuary
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November 25th, 2021 at 9:58:39 PM permalink
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Rules page on the top-left drop down menu
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It does say that discarded cards are shuffled back into the deck.
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How many people are going to click on the rules for a game they think they know. If Vlad hadn't pointed out how to find the rules, would you have looked?
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Calm down. Of course not, but I'm stating that they aren't trying to hide what they're doing.
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November 26th, 2021 at 2:30:23 AM permalink
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How many people are going to click on the rules for a game they think they know. If Vlad hadn't pointed out how to find the rules, would you have looked?
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Yes, I look for the rules page.
It is a habit I picked up while playing Class II bingo slots.
The rules for those games are so bizarre, I get a kick out of figuring out the meaning within the double-speak.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 26th, 2021 at 5:30:03 AM permalink
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It does say that discarded cards are shuffled back into the deck.
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Good find. This does mean I'll have to tone down my language about this, including avoiding the "c" word. Still, I think it's unethical to bury this in the rules page, which I'm sure few players find. In my 24 years writing about casino games, I almost never see table game players ask to see a rule card or slot player paging through rule screens.

You might draw a comparison to Spanish 21 with it's removal of the 10's from the deck. That would be a fair point. However, I think "Spanish decks" were around before the casino game. I think it's also logical that players would ask what the take-back is in return for all the rules that cut their way.

The whole thing puts me in more of an ethical pickle. I welcome all advice.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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November 26th, 2021 at 7:10:18 AM permalink
I like it. I am all for trying different things and adding more diversity. Make it stated clearly in the rules and there should be no question that it is not cheating. I've always though multi-deck VP would be a great option. Or a seven card game. Or any pair pays back one on a five-coin bet. Or a high pair pays back zero on a non-wild game. Or a multiplier is determined by a hand of blackjack.
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November 26th, 2021 at 8:08:39 AM permalink
If the rules state the discards are reshuffled it is not cheating. I put this as equivalent to 6:5 blackjack. As long as clearly stated, it is not cheating.

The entire purpose/aura/existence of casino games is to fool players into playing -EV games. Good job by this game designer, actually!

Edit. And good job by this forum if alerting us of this new trick the casinos WILL be using!
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November 26th, 2021 at 10:08:57 AM permalink
Slippery Slope.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 26th, 2021 at 11:20:59 AM permalink
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Slippery Slope.
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The sheep go willingly to slaughter.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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November 26th, 2021 at 12:18:50 PM permalink
"The sheep go willingly to slaughter."

Game Developer FlipLuck studios in Romania (sales office in Spain)
Operated mostly in Eastern European grey / black market and Russia
https://flipluck.com/

Doubt that they can be certify in the regulated market
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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November 26th, 2021 at 1:26:30 PM permalink
Even if a game looks familiar, it is a good idea to verify the rules are what you expect.


(Use it if you like. No attribution or licensing required.)

Several recently discussed games have looked quite familiar. Several have needed wildly unfamiliar strategies for a player to realize optimal house edge.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 26th, 2021 at 1:49:06 PM permalink
Rules and Pays must be presented on the game layout as an industry gold ethic standard.
Alternatively Rules page must be popup before game session and then pop down to the menu
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.

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