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July 31st, 2021 at 1:42:18 PM permalink
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Played at Borgata last night. If you donít have a players card you are only allowed to make table minimum bets at BJ. Told most AC casinos are adopting that rule.



Yeah, I believe that policy has been in effect for several years now in AC. One of the reasons I haven't been back there despite regular east coast trips nearby.
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July 31st, 2021 at 1:45:44 PM permalink
These policies directly contradict what the casino industry used to be about. people used to show up with a suitcase full of money and not want to be known. The casinos didn't ask any questions. Now-a-days I guess such a player is sent packing. The old casino operators must be rolling over in their graves. :/
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:06:19 PM permalink
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There is a law; itís 10k. Some have a policy of requiring earlier but, generally, it works the exact opposite of what you suggest. Theyíll let you buy in for 9k+without ID but good luck cashing anywhere from a single large denom chip or 1/3 of that amount without ID.


This is exactly right, and the smaller the casino, the less likely they will cash any chip of $500. or more without your establishing where you got it (i.e. via a WIN or buy in tracking from the table). They also want to avoid cashing too many chips if you owe markers.

Now, at say Wynn, Venetian, Resorts World Vegas, Cosmopolitan, or a high end MGM Vegas or Caesar's Vegas casino etc. - go to the cage with under 1000 in chips and they will almost always just cash it without asking. I've even presented a yellow chip and a few blacks, or even anywhere up to a couple thousand or even a bit more in chips at say, Wynn and had it cashed without asking for my player card. But the dumpier casinos such as some downtown might even question four or five hundred in just blacks. And even at Wynn sometimes you present a single yellow chip and the cashier asks for your player card.

BUT you have to consider, if you are able to buy in without identifying yourself and you play without identifying yourself and you end up with a bunch of chips either due to winning or not losing, then how will you cash them easily? At that point identifying yourself may not be enough - the cage has to figure out how you got all those chips.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:15:55 PM permalink
On playing unrated: Some times I sit down and am asked for a players card. I say no. If asked a second time, I say something like "I don't have it with me and am not going to be here long".or 'I only have a few minutes". So if they insist, I will give them my Id, let them go make a card and when they return and hand me the card, I color in and say, "told you I wasn't going to play long". They made work for themselves for nothing.

It is something that will make you be remembered, which I usually try to avoid. But I have had times, that when I see that same pit person and say, "I am not going to be here long"....they drop it. :). Sometimes I gotta train these folks to do things my way.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:27:39 PM permalink
I don't know any company that would offer services only if you join their promotional club.

Imagine being told at CVS or Walgreens you couldn't buy anything without presenting a card?

Or being told you could not fly on an airline without signing up to earn frequent flyer miles.

The Casinos don't want to alienate new or rare players who prefer to just make a hit and not play again. Those players may lose good money but not be interested in comps.

Finally from a bottom line perspective, perks and comps cost. A customer who doesn't want any is actually more valuable to the casino. It's like those cereal box giveaways. Why do they offer them through the mail? Because half the customers that get excited actually forget to send them in. The corporation makes the sale without paying for a comp.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:31:54 PM permalink
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There is a law; itís 10k. Some have a policy of requiring earlier but, generally, it works the exact opposite of what you suggest. Theyíll let you buy in for 9k+without ID but good luck cashing anywhere from a single large denom chip or 1/3 of that amount without ID. They only care who you are when they have to pay you not to take your money.



I'm aware of the law but there is nothing stopping a casino from going lower. At my clubs everyone had to show id, and after the technology became available, every id got scanned. In theory, if something happened inside or outside, we'd be able to watch a video and be able to match the faces to the ids. It also bolstered our mailing lists.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:34:13 PM permalink
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I don't know any company that would offer services only if you join their promotional club.

Imagine being told at CVS or Walgreens you couldn't buy anything without presenting a card?



While Radio Shack and Party City didn't (don't?) make it impossible, my memory says they were very forward about tying your identity to your purchases.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:49:30 PM permalink
Plus as UnJon already pointed out, at least in some casinos they are forcing unidentified blackjack players to flat bet minimum.
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July 31st, 2021 at 2:57:45 PM permalink
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While Radio Shack and Party City didn't (don't?) make it impossible, my memory says they were very forward about tying your identity to your purchases.



Those silly airlines that insisted on customers show all id must all have gone broke. I remember the time a clerk at a car rental insisted I give him my id before I could rent a car. Madness.
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July 31st, 2021 at 3:00:34 PM permalink
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Plus as UnJon already pointed out, at least in some casinos they are forcing unidentified blackjack players to flat bet minimum.



That seems like the best solution, from a casino prospective.
When I go to a show at the House of Blues inside Mandalay Bay, they want id. That I can play at a BJ table a hundred feet away seems inconsistent.

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