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May 5th, 2021 at 8:01:44 PM permalink


Super Hot Roll combines the multiplier feature of Hot Roll and the carry-over feature of Ultimate X. To be more specific, randomly, the player sometimes earns multipliers, based on the roll of two dice. Said multipliers will apply to the current and next hand.

The game sometimes awards the feature before the draw, in which case the multiplier applies to all three hands. Based on several hands I played, they were always awarded after the draw, so applied to one hand only. The game states the probability of a multiplier is 1 in 4.99, but it doesn't say how it breaks down between before the draw (multipliers on all three hands) and after (one hand only). Without that information, I can't do a proper analysis. However, I can say all such similar IGT games have a small RTP boost if the feature is enabled.

Please check out my page on the game (see link above). I welcome your comments on the game and my page. The page isn't finished, but I will probably just add that I can't analyze it due to having incomplete information about the rules.

The question for the poll is would you play Super Hot Roll?
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May 5th, 2021 at 10:10:57 PM permalink
Given a multiplier >1 being rolled, its average value would be 7, based on the roll of two dice,. If a multiplier >1 occurs with a frequency of 1/4.99 but applies to both the current hand and the next hand then it is effectively a frequency of 2/4.99. Thus a multiplier = 1 occurs with a frequency of 2.99/4.99. That implies that the average effect of the multiplier on winnings is about a factor of 3.40481 X -for any line that the multiplier is applied to.

Given all that, it seems like it would be very simple to do an analysis of return to player as a function of the fraction of time that the multiplier applies to only one line versus applying to all 3 lines.
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May 6th, 2021 at 2:30:19 PM permalink
One must also consider a multiplier gets only half its value if earned when the player already has a multiplier. However, even that is not so complicated to work out. The missing piece of the puzzle is how often does the player get the multiplier on every hand.
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May 6th, 2021 at 3:49:41 PM permalink
I donít know if it means anything but in my local casino the pay schedule is lower on Super hot roll than on regular Hot roll.
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May 10th, 2021 at 9:02:35 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

One must also consider a multiplier gets only half its value if earned when the player already has a multiplier. However, even that is not so complicated to work out. The missing piece of the puzzle is how often does the player get the multiplier on every hand.



The fact this isn't given tilts me. Do you have an insider buddy that you can ask?

And I agree about the feature giving higher returns generally. But the original Hot Roll was an exception to this. They made the feature probability exactly 1 in 6. I was mad about that. It should have been something like 1 in 5.95 for example, which would give the game 1.0042X the value of the 5-coin return.
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May 10th, 2021 at 9:09:13 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I donít know if it means anything but in my local casino the pay schedule is lower on Super hot roll than on regular Hot roll.



Not a good sign overall, but it might mean the feature adds to the return. The nice thing about about original Hot Roll (and I believe Double Big Wheel Poker is the same way) is that the worst base paytable the machine could offer is 9/6/4 Double Bonus (96.38%). I've found many instances of casinos offerring 8/5 Jacks (97.30%) and 8/5 Bonus Deluxe (97.40%), which is nice for nickel players.
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May 10th, 2021 at 12:50:19 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Not a good sign overall, but it might mean the feature adds to the return. .


Thatís what I was thinking also. I hope Wiz can contact someone to find out the frequency of getting the hot roll on 1 hand , 2 hands etc...
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February 22nd, 2024 at 9:43:20 PM permalink
Wizard,

I'm curious to get a better understanding of the assumed returns on Super Hot Roll VP stated on the Wizard Of Odds page. It's mentioned in the analysis that it's assumed that invoking the feature cuts the house edge in half. However, if that is based on an average multiplier value overall being 2x, that is 2x the base game return, not 2x an even money bet (which would actually cut the house edge in half). So I believe the return with the feature stays exactly the same as the base game (which is the case with standard Hot Roll VP as well).

Let me know your thoughts.
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