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March 25th, 2020 at 9:40:16 AM permalink
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Our early simulations show a return of around 152% without using the trade card at all. If we keep the trade card (the current frequency of it's appearance), we may have to move the bet to 75 credits. We are still working on it, but we may have to adjust the pay scale a bit which shouldn't be a problem since it is not traditional three card poker.

After playing for awhile the last two days, do you think the straight should be worth more than the flush? It just seems like the straight in this game is much easier to achieve. I know that is not the case when playing traditional three card poker as the straight is harder to obtain.



Make the 'pair' just jacks or better. That's an easy one. Cut the straight to 15 and the flush to 10. Cut the trips to 75. Double the mini royal. try that.
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March 25th, 2020 at 12:18:58 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Make the 'pair' just jacks or better. That's an easy one. Cut the straight to 15 and the flush to 10. Cut the trips to 75. Double the mini royal. try that.



We will give this a try in the next update. Thanks for the suggestion.
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March 29th, 2020 at 6:14:18 PM permalink
We've updated the 3x3 demo. We are getting around a 98% RTP with a 90 credit wager, the trade card occurring almost on every hand, and paying only the high pairs instead of all pairs.

Demo: http://realizegamingllc.com/dev/tradeNPlace3x3



Here is some of the information from the sim we did with the latest build.

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"fromBonus": 15974,
"noBonus": 543
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"St. Flush": {
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"fromBonus": 150303,
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"reward": 10,
"totalCount": 163962,
"fromBonus": 156960,
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"noBonus": 47871
}
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"overallResults": {
"bet": 90000000,
"totalWin": 87743190,
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"bestMoveNoTrade": 3,
"count": 866641
},
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March 29th, 2020 at 7:30:46 PM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

We've updated the 3x3 demo. We are getting around a 98% RTP with a 90 credit wager, the trade card occurring almost on every hand, and paying only the high pairs instead of all pairs.

Demo: http://realizegamingllc.com/dev/tradeNPlace3x3



(snip)


FYI: The demo game still has the following paytable:

Short Royal: 300
St. Flush: 225
3 of Kind: 150
The rest are the same as the above image.

It looks like you have found a "good pay table*** " going by your RTP figures.

***: You may still need to tweak it (but it is obviously a lot better than before).
Also, below are some things you may already know before trying to sell the game( but you may find helpful, if you didn't know ).

Things I think a casual/average player may look for:
Enjoyment/entertainment, High RTP, doesn't get boring after the "newness" of the game wears off and "Big Pays" for the "rare" occurrences (optional, but may increase the "entertainment value")

Things I think a casino may look for:
Decent customer "loyalty/replay" (in other words the customers will come back "many times" to play the game)
Adequate House edge vs "customer loyalty/replay" (as other people have mentioned, would you rather sheer the sheep many times or only slaughter it once?)
Decent Return vs Cost of "renting / buying" and other direct costs of running the game (I don't know how this works, so you need to ask an expert in this area).

Thing(s) I personally would like to see (if it is legal to do so):
A bonus/higher pay-table, but still less than 100% RTP, when playing the game manually (in other words, with both the "show best place" and "show best trade" disabled).

Hope this is helpful.

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March 29th, 2020 at 8:03:22 PM permalink
I've played the latest version of the game.

1. The pay table certainly does not communicate to the prospective player how big the payouts can be or how frequently they can occur!

2. I do like this game quite a bit, but not as much as the 3x5 version.

3. It may be <100% RTP as you state, but then it must have a lot of variance! In both sessions that I played, I ended ahead by over 1,000, and I never seemed to be in jeopardy of going negative.
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March 29th, 2020 at 9:04:07 PM permalink
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3. It may be <100% RTP as you state, but then it must have a lot of variance! In both sessions that I played, I ended ahead by over 1,000, and I never seemed to be in jeopardy of going negative.


Ditto. You spin your wheels for 5 or 6 hands then get a straight flush. Repeat until you tire of winning money.

Maybe if you don't break even or better you lose all your wager?
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March 30th, 2020 at 12:32:34 AM permalink
With the current demo I won 5,220 over a 35 to 40 minute run.
With the "show best trade" and "show best place" features enabled, I can play 5 to 6 game per minute.
Profit on turnover estimate (for this session): somewhere between 24.1666...% and 33.142857...%

Note: I originally wanted to test "how many times I won 1000" vs "how many times i lost 1000", but by the the time I was up 3000 I decided to scrap doing that test, and just turn it into a "Profit on turnover" test/run.
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March 30th, 2020 at 3:09:05 PM permalink
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Quote: RealizeGaming

We've updated the 3x3 demo. We are getting around a 98% RTP with a 90 credit wager, the trade card occurring almost on every hand, and paying only the high pairs instead of all pairs.

Demo: http://realizegamingllc.com/dev/tradeNPlace3x3



(snip)


FYI: The demo game still has the following paytable:

Short Royal: 300
St. Flush: 225
3 of Kind: 150
The rest are the same as the above image.

It looks like you have found a "good pay table*** " going by your RTP figures.

***: You may still need to tweak it (but it is obviously a lot better than before).
Also, below are some things you may already know before trying to sell the game( but you may find helpful, if you didn't know ).

Things I think a casual/average player may look for:
Enjoyment/entertainment, High RTP, doesn't get boring after the "newness" of the game wears off and "Big Pays" for the "rare" occurrences (optional, but may increase the "entertainment value")

Things I think a casino may look for:
Decent customer "loyalty/replay" (in other words the customers will come back "many times" to play the game)
Adequate House edge vs "customer loyalty/replay" (as other people have mentioned, would you rather sheer the sheep many times or only slaughter it once?)
Decent Return vs Cost of "renting / buying" and other direct costs of running the game (I don't know how this works, so you need to ask an expert in this area).

Thing(s) I personally would like to see (if it is legal to do so):
A bonus/higher pay-table, but still less than 100% RTP, when playing the game manually (in other words, with both the "show best place" and "show best trade" disabled).

Hope this is helpful.

Spelling/Grammar not checked.



ksksdj thanks for all your feedback on the 3x3 version of the game. I think we are getting close, but still a ways from getting it to where I want it.

1. We will check the RTP again to make sure the game was using the new pay scale.

2. I agree with your observations about the game in terms of how the player would perceive the game. I still want to find a way to get get bigger pays into the game. Right now even the straight flush is very common.
-Two things I would like to experiment with is dropping the pay down for straights and flushes and maybe even switching them around where the flush pays more than the straight. Straights seem to be very common in this version of the game which seems much different when comparing it to traditional three card poker.

3. It's funny you mention the "show best trade" and "place button." It makes so many moves where I find myself thinking what the heck would they make that move for and then after looking at it closer I find out the auto trader and place is correct. I know I would make a ton of errors without it for sure.
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March 30th, 2020 at 3:11:36 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I've played the latest version of the game.

1. The pay table certainly does not communicate to the prospective player how big the payouts can be or how frequently they can occur!

2. I do like this game quite a bit, but not as much as the 3x5 version.

3. It may be <100% RTP as you state, but then it must have a lot of variance! In both sessions that I played, I ended ahead by over 1,000, and I never seemed to be in jeopardy of going negative.



gordonm888 thanks for playing the latest version. It's still a work in progress.

On your third point, we need to go back and check it again as I've play a few rounds of 100 hands and each time I've been up 1000 credits.
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March 30th, 2020 at 3:14:27 PM permalink
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Ditto. You spin your wheels for 5 or 6 hands then get a straight flush. Repeat until you tire of winning money.

Maybe if you don't break even or better you lose all your wager?



Wow Gialmere! I kind of like the idea of either win more than the wager or lose it all concept. The only thing I don't think players will welcome is the high wager that is required to play the game and then feeling the need to win at least those credits back or get nothing in return. Interesting concept and I won't rule it out.

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