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HugoSlavia
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December 8th, 2019 at 1:11:12 PM permalink
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Buffet


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Buffet


* Buffett

But at least you guys agree on something.
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December 8th, 2019 at 1:14:15 PM permalink
Did we just make a breakthrough? :>)
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December 8th, 2019 at 2:14:39 PM permalink
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* Buffett

But at least you guys agree on something.



We can't help it if Warren spells his last name improperly.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
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December 8th, 2019 at 2:33:43 PM permalink
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We can't help it if Warren spells his last name improperly.


My uncle owns a few shares of Berkshire. He has a little bit of a stutter, so in his case it's B-buffett.
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December 8th, 2019 at 3:23:49 PM permalink
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I have grown tired of posting about Bob Dancer. I don't believe he is a bad guy and I wish him well. He is about my age. I wouldn't trade places with him and I'm sure he wouldn't with me either. Video poker had it's day. I'm moving on to table games myself.



TRANSLATION: My point is completely indefensible.
Vultures can't be choosers.
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December 8th, 2019 at 4:14:45 PM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP Let's talk about the games the majority of us play. [/q



Phil,
If that is truly what you want to do? And you have the expertise to start and run a website, as mentioned in this thread.
Why not do that? You could have your own gambling website/forum.

Here's some suggested names.
VIDEO POKER Redundant 2.0
or
SHORT COIN ROYALS
or
My Story: One coin at a time.

I imply, or is it infer? That such a gambling website/forum. Would have a 100.76% chance of becoming the most active, most popular gambling website/forum of all time.

No Guarantees though!

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December 8th, 2019 at 6:40:28 PM permalink
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Since you're moving on to table games I thought I'd let you know there's a couple forums that are dedicated to table games players, good luck.

Before you go, we're still interested in knowing about the so-called glitches you keep running into.

I'm glad to see that you're taking the time to get your story straight because If I'm understanding what you were sort of describing, I'll just say, I'm very skeptical.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 9th, 2019 at 7:21:14 AM permalink
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I think this is the Bob Dancer post:

https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112540#p112540

Someone (Axel iirc) pointed out SCVP's passive-aggressiveness, and this is a good example. SCVP complains that Bob's advice is unusable because people are unintelligent, but then takes offense when Bob acknowledges that people are unintelligent.

There is literally nothing Bob can do to satisfy SCVP.



In my opinion, this is a questionable post for a few reasons:

1.) It makes the assumption that recreational players who would turn pro if they were, "Smart enough," to be able to do it. That statement completely ignores the possibility that there are recreational players who DO NOT turn pro simply because they have no desire to do so, though they might have the ability. If I recall Mr. Dancer's article correctly, he had a marriage dissolve, in part or in whole, because his wife (at the time) could not handle the smoke he brought home with him from casinos.

It occurs to me that supremely intelligent people might consider video poker a fun hobby (even -EV video poker) but do not view sitting in a smoky casino for hours on end in the same chair the whole time as a desirable profession.

Furthermore, is there not a skilled surgeon out there somewhere who is a recreational video poker enthusiast? Perhaps there are supremely intelligent people out there who do not play video poker because they can/do make more money elsewhere, or otherwise have a career that they find more rewarding.

I'm obviously not saying there is anything wrong with being a VP Pro, or any other kind of advantage player, but I certainly don't put them on the pedestal that Mr. Dancer seems to in the above-linked post as paragons of the ultimate profession.

2.) Quote from source:

Quote:

You will not find average and below-average IQs among successful video poker professionals.



I disagree with the above quote, for the most part. I can stipulate that you wouldn't find substantially below average IQ people amongst the ranks of video poker professionals. That said, when it comes to people with average IQ's: why not?

Anyone who is going to bring the concept of IQ into the discussion knows or should know that an IQ test is a general intelligence test that seeks to measure many different skills in a relatively short timeframe AND with a relatively limited sample size of questions as pertains those skills. Relevantly, the first part of that is the differing set of skills. It is possible to test well above average in the categories related to memory and problem-solving whilst testing poorly in areas such as verbal comprehension.

In other words, someone with a perfectly average IQ could excel in those areas that would also grant one the capacity to be a video poker professional.

3.) Quote from source:

Quote:

Simply put,
the average person cannot figure out how to beat the casino --- although he can clearly troll Internet forums and TELL people how to do it.



I disagree for the same reasons as stated in Item #2, but also, because the average person does not need to figure it out, per se. If a person is capable of learning a concept and repeating it, then that person can be an advantage player. It's simply a matter of learning the rudiments of how to recognize an opportunity and then how to exploit that opportunity.

With the myriad of online resources available in this regard (not to mention potentially knowing people) one would not need substantial ability to figure out what one needs to know.

4.) Quote from source:

Quote:

If you're not at least as bright as the average vice president of marketing.



So...If I am not at least as bright as some of the people who (based on certain promotions and offers) clearly lack any understanding of math whatsoever and have the arrogance to roll something out without asking those in the casino who might be more mathematically inclined first I can't do it?

Good thing for me this sets a REALLY low bar.

If I were in the security or slot department of a casino, I think I would spend every day of my life angry and blaming marketing for many of my problems...and I would be right.

CONCLUSION:

Anyway, I would be willing to conclude that video poker players (or some AP's) are of at least average intelligence, generally speaking, but hesitate to put them on any pedestal higher than that. What positions can you think of that require the use of rudimentary math and ability to use the internet? Entry-level bookkeeper? Don't have to be a genius.

Imagine a garbage company worker whose job it is to draw up optimal routes...is a video poker pro smarter than that guy? Sounds like a pretty tough thing to do to me.
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December 9th, 2019 at 8:31:24 AM permalink
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My uncle owns a few shares of Berkshire. He has a little bit of a stutter, so in his case it's B-buffett.


I just read this entire thread in one sitting at a burrito joint and this was, by far, the best post within all 14 pages.
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December 9th, 2019 at 11:07:57 AM permalink
Quote: kuma

I just read this entire thread in one sitting at a burrito joint and this was, by far, the best post within all 14 pages.

Great post! APs are obviously intelligent people or they wouldn't last long as APs.

I would never create a post claiming to be more intelligent than anyone else. If you come to me with a broken 1966 Ford automatic transmission, I could fix it. Could Bob Dancer? I doubt it. Does that make me more intelligent than him? Of course not. He specializes in video poker and knows all about it. One of my hobbies is restoring old Fords and I rebuild my own transmissions.

I think experts who teach video poker should concentrate less on how to beat the casino and more on keeping the casino from beating the players. By now, anyone who needs lessons on video poker is not going to do what it takes to be an AP. Start with the games everyone has access to and work up. What good does explaining a .03% play when the average video poker game is 97%? I would like to see a book entitled "Playing Video poker in 2019". They can hold classes at the Hard Rock.

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