AxelWolf
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December 5th, 2019 at 1:37:02 PM permalink
Quote: HugoSlavia

I decided to try it. I played a $5 bet and should have been paid $5.04:



Instead I was paid zero. My return was 0%.

I must have done something wrong, but I can't see it.

This is this a joke right?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 5th, 2019 at 1:41:22 PM permalink
Quote: HugoSlavia

I decided to try it. I played a $5 bet and should have been paid $5.04:

Instead I was paid zero. My return was 0%.

I must have done something wrong, but I can't see it.



Missed it by *that* much, Chief.

Hey Hugo, I just want to thank you again, I corrected my error on hard 17 and 6-card Charlie in single deck. You were right and I was wrong. And I had been doing it wrong for a long time. So thank you! Sometimes I need another person's viewpoint to see my mistakes in life.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
HugoSlavia
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December 5th, 2019 at 2:01:26 PM permalink
Thanks bob! I was just thinking out loud. Glad it helped.

Quote: AxelWolf

This is this a joke right?


Attempted humor.

I was hoping to find a funnier pay schedule, but at $5 denom the casino decided to give players somewhat of a chance.
billryan
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December 5th, 2019 at 5:07:56 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

many VPers do not understand Risk of Ruin and never will.
the return of a game has NOTHING to do (mostly) with a session win.

Here is some data calculated for JOB 9/6
probability of showing a net loss after X hands played

XProbability
10 58.11%
100 58.85%
200 59.53%
400 61.19%
600 62.62%
800 63.83%
1,000 64.87%
5,000 71.96%
10,000 69.91%
15,000 65.44%
20,000 62.36%
50,000 63.07%
100,000 65.31%
200,000 69.26%



Those numbers seem to suggest almost a one in three chance of being ahead after 100,000 hands. That seems high to me.
prozema
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December 5th, 2019 at 8:05:19 PM permalink
He held Jack King Off suit. Get it? Funny...
drrock
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December 5th, 2019 at 8:12:38 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

He held Jack King Off suit. Get it? Funny...

There was a lady (the Queen) present as well. Does that make it better ... or worse?
prozema
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December 5th, 2019 at 8:19:28 PM permalink
Quote: drrock

There was a lady (the Queen) present as well. Does that make it better ... or worse?



It's way better with chicks.
EVBandit
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December 5th, 2019 at 9:52:35 PM permalink
Quote: James85

I played the Video Poker at MGM Grand, Bellagio, TL, Flamingo, Venetian.

I was told that the

Jacks or Better has a return of 99.5
gamblingonline com video-poker strategy jacks-or-better/
Deuces wild has a return of RTP of 100.76%
Reference Casino Reports Video Poker

I have played the strategy suggested in the

Wizard of Odds Video Poker Hand Analyzer

Reference wizardofodds com games video-poker

Jacks or Better $0.25 $0.50 $1 Royal Flush - 4000

Deal 1 Jacks or Better 5
Deal 2 Jacks or Better 5
Deal 3 Lost
Deal 4 Lost
Deal 5 Lost
Deal 6 Lost
Deal 7 3 of a Kind 15
Deal 8 Lost
Deal 9 Lost
Deal 10 Lost
.
.
.
.
NO profit, Lost all the money

Deuces Wild $0.25 $0.50 $1 Royal Flush No Deuces - 4000

Deal 1 Lost
Deal 2 Lost
Deal 3 Three of a Kind 5
Deal 4 Lost
Deal 5 Straight 10
Deal 6 Lost
Deal 7 Lost
Deal 8 Lost
Deal 9 Lost
Deal 10 Straight 10
.

.
.
.
NO profit, Lost all the money


Not only this, I have seen few people put in a few hundreds @ Video Poker machines and they all went down in a few minutes.

Compared to Video poker I felt that the Table Black Jack was better, I would some times earn atleast 120% of the money that I have put in.



Were they bad machines? Were the cards not favorable to me on Video Poker? Was it because of a less bank roll? What is a minimum bank roll needed?

I could not figure out what was going wrong,
Any suggestions on the playing? Thanks



This was addressed back in Jan 1999 ... a long time ago.

Please see this link and article by Jazbo:

jazbo(dot)com / videopoker / curves.html (please make adjust for dot & spaces ... thnx)

Itís known as video poker probability distributions so if you have time, you can do it for 10 hands for JoB and Ducks and see it for yourself and gain wisdom.
AxelWolf
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December 5th, 2019 at 9:57:46 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

He held Jack King Off suit. Get it? Funny...

how did you miss the queen? And to think, you actually play video poker with real money. #-EV. 🤣
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
HugoSlavia
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December 6th, 2019 at 7:09:12 AM permalink
Quote: drrock

There was a lady (the Queen) present as well. Does that make it better ... or worse?


For comedy purposes, I was seeking a hold as far away from optimal as possible. The worst imaginable would be holding an entire dead hand of five cards. In this case although the mixed suit JQK does have some remote win potential, its EV is only about 20% of a bet.

We don't know which two cards were thrown away, but you could hold something like a lone 3 and have better EV than the JQK.

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