RealizeGaming
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October 21st, 2019 at 4:17:05 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Probably a trademark or copyright, not patent-able.



If I remember correctly, IGT has a trademark on the double double bonus name. We ran into the same issue when we wanted to use the same pay table for one of our games, but we couldn't name it double double bonus. We could have used the DDB for the game, but we chose the "Twin Twin Bonus" instead just to be safe.
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October 21st, 2019 at 5:28:11 PM permalink
DOUBLE DOUBLE BONUS POKER Trademark Information
IGT
https://trademark.trademarkia.com/double-double-bonus-poker-76157843.html
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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October 21st, 2019 at 5:29:16 PM permalink
Disclaimer: ("BONUS POKER")
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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October 21st, 2019 at 6:54:58 PM permalink
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Does IGT have a patent on the name Double Double Bonus? Why call it Aces Kicker? Sounds dumb to me.



I asked a lawyer about this at G2E. He said that some names have trademark issues and others don't.
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October 22nd, 2019 at 2:37:06 PM permalink
I finally had a chance to take a closer look at the Buffalo Keno rules. Unfortunately, there is a random feature where sometimes in free spins the game awards a random number of extra balls. Without know the probability of the free balls, I can't quantify the odds.

This one would have been a good challenge to analyze too.
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December 14th, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM permalink
I just ran into some new Aristocrat bartops over here in California. I played long enough to write down the paytables and then had to get back to the IGT machine I was playing because I left my ticket in it and I wasn't getting my 2x points on the Aristocrat games anyway.

I did see the 8-6 Aces Kicker (double double bonus) that we talked about earlier in this thread. All in all, I need to give it more play than I did, I felt uncomfortable, and it seemed to play slower than my IGT machine, even though it has a speed setting. My current opinion is that I would not play them if there is equal opportunity close by on an IGT machine. Of course, if I were to find a tech mistake with good EV, I guess I could "force" myself.

I did briefly look at the keno paytables. The 6-spot was 3-4-65-1800, or .936999, which ain't bad, for keno, better than what a lot of casinos have. Although, I find 95% returns out here.
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December 15th, 2019 at 7:55:33 AM permalink
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My current opinion is that I would not play them if there is equal opportunity close by on an IGT machine. Of course, if I were to find a tech mistake with good EV, I guess I could "force" myself.



I think that is why nobody will replace IGT in the bartop space for many years. People are creatures of habit and everybody is comfortable with the IGT bartop machine. My company has about 1000 IGT bartop machines and they will not be replaced anytime soon.
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December 15th, 2019 at 8:50:21 AM permalink
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I can't say that I've ever seen these last three paytables. And I tried to fill in the blanks, I couldn't do it for the Deuces and the Joker games. I didn't spend all night trying to figure it out, but right now I'm stumped.



It's a weird variant that you can find here:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/joker-poker/kings-or-better/

The more common game is 98.44 Jokers (Kings) and is actually one of the most frequent games I've seen. Even in casinos in which the video poker is generally bad, you can sometimes find that one. On the one above, FH pays 6 instead of 7 and the top three hands also pay a reduced amount in favor of better returning quads. The game mentioned above actually shares a paytable with 99.98% Jokers Kings with the exception being the reduced Full House.
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December 24th, 2019 at 4:19:19 PM permalink
I wonder if it would attract more players if they had new video poker games. I like the concept that Aristocrat is using by including some of their popular slot games and some new keno games on their bar tops.

I also remember a number of years ago Scientific Games introduced a new cabinet with the traditional video poker games on it and they had one or two very new, never seen before games. I thought that alone gave them a good chance to gain interest from the players, but as quickly as it was installed, it was taken out at Red Rock. I'm not sure why it didn't have success because I thought it had potential.
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December 24th, 2019 at 7:26:31 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I think that is why nobody will replace IGT in the bartop space for many years. People are creatures of habit and everybody is comfortable with the IGT bartop machine. My company has about 1000 IGT bartop machines and they will not be replaced anytime soon.




I didn't see this post, that's why I didn't acknowledge. I started off knowing nothing about you, but it seems every time I read you, (almost every time), you appear more and more interesting. Merry Christmas.
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