Triple Chance
For 15 coins, you get to play one hand, and then there are two additional stud hands that the player has no control over.
Every other round or so, any or all of the three hands can get a multiplier between 2x and 5x.
I've never seen this anywhere else. Does anyone know the numbers on what this does to your odds? I was playing it for quarters on a 9/6/ JoB game.
Quote: BaronMy local casino has a Video Poker game called Triple Chance.
For 15 coins, you get to play one hand, and then there are two additional stud hands that the player has no control over.
Every other round or so, any or all of the three hands can get a multiplier between 2x and 5x.
I've never seen this anywhere else. Does anyone know the numbers on what this does to your odds? I was playing it for quarters on a 9/6/ JoB game.
1. What happens with the two additional 5-card stud hands? Are they simply dealt with no draw to them? Or does the game draw to them?
2. Are all three hands paid off against a wager of 15 coins, or are they paid off at 5 coins per hand?
3. Are the three dealt hands independent of each other, i.e., can the same card be dealt in in or 3 hands?
Quote: BaronDoes anyone know the numbers on what this does to your odds? I was playing it for quarters on a 9/6/ JoB game.
Never heard of it. Without knowing how the multipliers are distributed, I wouldn't be able to calculate the odds.
Quote: DRichI have never heard of that video poker game. Is it at an Indian casino? I wonder if it is Class II? Next time there take a picture and post it.
It's class II, my g/f played it at Four Winds in South Bend, which does not have a Class III compact.
2. Each hand is paid off at 5 coins per hand.
3. The three dealt hands seem to be completely independent of each other.
You got to love the bungee cord. Now get a picture of the fanny pack.Quote: tringlomaneIt's class II, my g/f played it at Four Winds in South Bend, which does not have a Class III compact.
Quote: WizardWas there an element of skill to the bottom hand? If so, how did it work in a class 2 game?
Without having seen the game, I would assume no skill is involved at all since the award comes from the bingo card. I assume you play the bottom hand like normal video poker and if you don't hold the desired result the stud hands are dealt to compensate for the award. That is how I would have designed it.
I didn't know the difference between Class II and Class III until now. Chalk that up to an expensive mistake.
Quote: DRichWithout having seen the game, I would assume no skill is involved at all since the award comes from the bingo card. I assume you play the bottom hand like normal video poker and if you don't hold the desired result the stud hands are dealt to compensate for the award. That is how I would have designed it.
That leads me to a question. I've never worked or played in a class II slot casino. If playing single hand video poker and the bingo card draws you a flush final hand and deals you 4 to the flush, would it still give you a flush if you discarded all 5 original cards?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13That leads me to a question. I've never worked or played in a class II slot casino. If playing single hand video poker and the bingo card draws you a flush final hand and deals you 4 to the flush, would it still give you a flush if you discarded all 5 original cards?
ZCore13
The simple answer is most likely. Those games usually have another type bonus attached to them to compensate for mistakes. "Match Card" is one of the more common ones where after the hand a random card is drawn. If it matches a card in your hand you win a mystery bonus. For example if you held all five cards, with four of one suit and the machine was going to pay you 6 coins for a flush, the match card would come on and match one of your cards and they would award you a bonus of 6 coins.
Quote: DRichThe simple answer is most likely. Those games usually have another type bonus attached to them to compensate for mistakes. "Match Card" is one of the more common ones where after the hand a random card is drawn. If it matches a card in your hand you win a mystery bonus. For example if you held all five cards, with four of one suit and the machine was going to pay you 6 coins for a flush, the match card would come on and match one of your cards and they would award you a bonus of 6 coins.
Got it thanks. So a class 2 video poker machine with a 99.4% payback for example, would be better to play than a class III machine with 99.4% payback, all other things being equal, because you can't make mistakes which results in a higher house advantage?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Got it thanks. So a class 2 video poker machine with a 99.4% payback for example, would be better to play than a class III machine with 99.4% payback, all other things being equal, because you can't make mistakes which results in a higher house advantage?
ZCore13
No, because Class II VP games are not bound by the standard probabilities of poker while Class III is. I have never seen a Class II game that didn't display a "full pay" paytable.
Quote: DRichIn the year 2000 I designed a Class II bingo based poker game that returned the exact results and probability of standard video poker. I filed for a patent on it but my attorney closed down and abandoned me. I foolishly never followed up and lost out on what would probably be a very valuable patent. I showed it to major manufacturers and they were all interested.
I was hired by a client to make such a game. In my version, the outcome was predestined. Let's say the player was destined to get a flush. I would give the player an obvious hold, like 2h, 4h, 6h, 8h, Ac. If the player chose to do a stupid hold like 6h, Ac, I told the client to have the game give the player garbage cards, but have a fairy or something change the cards into whatever would form a flush.
Hopefully I didn't step on anybody's IP, including yours, but it seemed a fairly obvious solution to the problem.
Quote: tringlomaneNo, because Class II VP games are not bound by the standard probabilities of poker while Class III is. I have never seen a Class II game that didn't display a "full pay" paytable.
Well there's some nuance in his question. If he knew for sure that the payback of the game was programmed to be 99.4%, then the answer to his question is yes, he'd be better to play the Class II machine. The thing is, you can't tell what the payback is from the pay table, and I doubt the casino would ever tell you what the theo is, so he'll never be in that situation.. which makes the answer "no".
Quote: rsactuaryWell there's some nuance in his question. If he knew for sure that the payback of the game was programmed to be 99.4%, then the answer to his question is yes, he'd be better to play the Class II machine. The thing is, you can't tell what the payback is from the pay table, and I doubt the casino would ever tell you what the theo is, so he'll never be in that situation.. which makes the answer "no".
Good point. The paytable on a Class II game has zero relevance to the payback. There is no way to tell the payback on a Class II poker game from the players perspective.
