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AxelWolf
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September 3rd, 2019 at 1:42:49 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

We are talking about freeplay per the OP

So you are telling me if you were offered $500 in freeplay you would pay $499.50 for it.

And then turn that into $3000 - $10,000 PROFIT ABOVE WHAT U PAID?

I am referring to only cycling it once thru. Not doing $3,000 of coin in after u finish the freeplay.

EDIT: and as I pointed out I dont have that type of opportunity on the East Coast. If you find a VP machine that even accepts freeplay on this side of the country I have yet to see any machines over 100%

It's already been covered(under certain circumstances), of course , I wouldn't go out of my way the do something like that, don't be ridiculous. You damn well know that's not the point. The point was that you would have an advantage in certain circumstances even if you had to pay 99.5% . It seems fairly obvious that's not something you realized.


let's get back to what the OP was talking about specifically and why it's ridiculous not to be willing to pay more than 50%.
Let's not in add in a bunch of extra reasons it wouldn't be worth it, like having to pay $300 in airfare or something silly like that.

Remember, this person is already in the casino with their free play and now they're going to go search out somebody to sell it to so that they can go gamble on something else. The Value of that free play to them is worth face value minus the hold on the machine assuming they play correctly.

You definitely said paying 67% was too much for an that's absolutely ridiculous. I don't think there's a real Advantage player out there that wouldn't highly consider that deal.

I guess if you have to ride the smelly virus-infected bus to Timbuktu it might not be worth it to you.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Sep 3, 2019
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darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 1:49:05 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

then let's get back to what the OP was talking about specifically.

You think paying 51% of face value of $500 is too much and you wouldn't do it?

You definitely said paying 67% was too much and that's absolutely ridiculous. I don't think there's a real Advantage player out there that wouldn't highly consider that deal.



I guess I drive a hard bargain!

There are people who pay a thousand dollars for gold truffled cheeseburgers.

I dont consider that a great idea but some people do it.
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RS
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September 3rd, 2019 at 2:06:10 AM permalink
Wait holíup. DarkOz is being serious about not buying FP above 50%???? Lololololol, I thought he was joking. Wowzers.....thatís....eh, I donít want to get suspended.
AxelWolf
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September 3rd, 2019 at 2:12:10 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I guess I drive a hard bargain!

There are people who pay a thousand dollars for gold truffled cheeseburgers.

I dont consider that a great idea but some people do it.

This is a serious question, what's the lowest you would be willing to sell $500 in freeplay for?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:05:58 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Wait holíup. DarkOz is being serious about not buying FP above 50%???? Lololololol, I thought he was joking. Wowzers.....thatís....eh, I donít want to get suspended.



If you are serious about buying freeplay at 99.5% face value as Axelwolf says he is (basically making a $2.50 profit off a $500 purchase)

Then I pretty much will also get suspended for saying what I think.of you
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darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:16:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

This is a serious question, what's the lowest you would be willing to sell $500 in freeplay for?



Hmmm, I cant remember ever selling freeplay. Usually if its too small, i.e. not worth my time I just give it away (albeit to someone I already know so dont start PM'ing me for throwaway freeplay lol)

I suppose for me there would be mitigating factors to determine the lowest I would sell.

How much did it cost me to get that $500 freeplay would be top of the list. Ex. Did I win it as at a drawing or did I lose $xxx dollars doing theoretical coin-in.

Then too, how complicated would the pickup be? I mean if I am selling $500 freeplay awarded me in Las Vegas so anyone I know is gonna have to pay $400 for a flight to pick it up.

Finally, this last one is subjective but it would deoend on what financial mood I am in. Similar to tipping after a major win, I might be more inclined to offer a deal if its just not a big deal to me at the moment. Again, I only would sell my freeplay to people I know, so a little generosity is no biggie
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billryan
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:19:15 AM permalink
Slots in AC.pay off at least 80%.
$100 coin in should return at least $80.
$100 free play bought at 60% means you are paying $60 for something worth $80.
While not a home run, it is enough to keep me in the game.
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:24:38 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Slots in AC.pay off at least 80%.
$100 coin in should return at least $80.
$100 free play bought at 60% means you are paying $60 for something worth $80.
While not a home run, it is enough to keep me in the game.



me too. I will buy as many of those that I can. Although I have been burnt once when buying it so still gotta be careful.
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Joeman
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September 3rd, 2019 at 6:36:30 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So you are telling me if you were offered $500 in freeplay you would pay $499.50 for it.

Not to be too pedantic, but this is a math-based forum, so I couldn't just let it go:

$500 x 99.5% = $497.50, not $499.50. That's five times the profit you thought Axel was making! ;)
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Joeman
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September 3rd, 2019 at 6:47:21 AM permalink
As for the OP: congrats winning the $500 FP and turning it into $800! Sounds like a good day at the casino. I have no problem with the way you chose to play it. Personally, I would have run it through the $1 9/5 DDB (97.87%) that I believe the Hard Rock has, but that's my game of choice.

BTW, a few years ago, the Tampa Hard Rock had one $1 9/6 game in their high limit room that paid 250 for 1 on a RF (98.37%), even at max coin. I'm pretty sure it is long gone now. I played it single-coin, without any guilt! Sounds like it would have been your type of machine.
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