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darkoz
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September 4th, 2019 at 8:14:51 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Let's play.
I can earn $5,000 in free play at a cost of $2,000.
I can buy $5,000 in free play for $4,000.
In the first scenario, I make a $3,000 profit but have to put in some time and effort.
In the second, I make $1,000 with less effort.
Tough choice.
Why not do the third scenario, do both and make $4,000 with about the same effort as the first option.



I actually never said I wouldn't buy the freeplay!

What I said was my buy price would only be 25-30% face value because I can get freeplay myself for significantly less than 80% face value on my own.

Most likely people wont like my lowball but that's on them

So as you say lets play

You ended with why not do the third scenario, do both and make about $4000 with about the same effort.

I say why not do the fourth scenario.

Do both! But demand the purchase of the freeplay be more beneficial to me than if I earned it myself for $2000. Sell it to me for $1500.

Then I can make $6500 profit for about the same effort.

Remember at this point in my AP life, I am not the one hungry to buy freeplay, it is someone hungry to sell it to me.

Make it worth more to me than if I earned it myself

That is the point.
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billryan
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September 4th, 2019 at 8:21:50 AM permalink
Then they try to triple down.
darkoz
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September 4th, 2019 at 8:33:16 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Then they try to triple down.



Did you skip over my response right above this post or is that the response?
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billryan
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September 4th, 2019 at 8:39:42 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Did you skip over my response right above this post or is that the response?



Yes!
darkoz
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September 4th, 2019 at 8:45:36 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Yes!



Huhhh!

You answered yes to an "or" question so...

I still dont have an answer lol.

I guess I was looking for a more insightful response to the 4th scenario post which you read...

Or missed
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AxelWolf
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September 4th, 2019 at 9:16:31 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I actually never said I wouldn't buy the freeplay!

What I said was my buy price would only be 25-30% face value because I can get freeplay myself for significantly less than 80% face value on my own.

Most likely people wont like my lowball but that's on them

So as you say lets play

You ended with why not do the third scenario, do both and make about $4000 with about the same effort.

I say why not do the fourth scenario.

Do both! But demand the purchase of the freeplay be more beneficial to me than if I earned it myself for $2000. Sell it to me for $1500.

Then I can make $6500 profit for about the same effort.

Remember at this point in my AP life, I am not the one hungry to buy freeplay, it is someone hungry to sell it to me.

Make it worth more to me than if I earned it myself

That is the point.

you're adding in all kinds of extra stuff to defend yourself which I understand cuz at this point it doesn't shine a good light on your AP knowledge. Of course many of us are willing to lowball people. I have bought free play for pennies on the dollar, however, not everyone is stupid enough to sell their free play at such a low rate. And you should know this because I think we've had a discussion about free play where I asked why you would pump up the value of free play during your bus Adventures.

If someone's driving a hard bargain( in your case 51%) it seems like it would be absolutely retarded not to go above 50% on a $500 offer.
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DRich
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September 4th, 2019 at 9:17:50 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz



You own a cow and can generate $1000 in milk for $100. Your neighbor wants to sell you $1000 in milk for $500. You think to yourself "well, I can always use milk. No point in turning it down." Or do you say to your neighbor, "Thanks for the offer but I can generate my own milk for a lot cheaper."



What if the cow can only produce milk once?

Many AP plays have a cap on the free play. If the free play on the promotion was capped at $5000 why wouldn't you do your own and buy the other persons? You may think you are really smart, but you often miss the obvious.
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darkoz
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September 4th, 2019 at 9:25:27 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

What if the cow can only produce milk once?

Many AP plays have a cap on the free play. If the free play on the promotion was capped at $5000 why wouldn't you do your own and buy the other persons? You may think you are really smart, but you often miss the obvious.



LMAO

I am not the one missing the obvious

Buy more than one cow. Create a whole dairy farm!

Get it.

Have multiple players cards

Get it?

Yes, $5000 cap on freeplay, I agree.

Now collect 10, 20 , 50 players cards each with the ability to deliver to me $5000 freeplay

And why would I waste my time paying more for freeplay than I can earning it myself in that scenario
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AxelWolf
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September 4th, 2019 at 9:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I think I do see darkozís point.

If I can get $5000 in Freeplay by either paying $2000 or $4000, then while both of those might be good deals, why not just put all my money/resources into the $2000 cost method ?

That $4000 I spend buying it from someone , can instead be used to generate $10,000 in FP

The only thing you give up is some time , since buying it is much less time consuming then playing to earn it

if one had the opportunity and willingness to have all their money invested and his example then that might be a valid point. Perhaps busboy doesn't have very much money and that's why he's not willing to do it since he desperately needs that money to invest in the other play.

I have a feeling in his example there's much more risk than he's letting on the risk of going to jail the risk of having money confiscated, the risk of someone grabbing their own free play after you invested 2,000 and other various pitfalls.

Let me give you a small example with situation that might help you understand. What say you have a bankroll $5,000. Now let's Let's say he sometimes gets inside information on sports bets that are almost a sure thing (I can almost guarantee you buying free play at 51% is almost a sure thing)

Casino A has the line set at + 200 with a maximum of a $500 bet.
Casino B has the line set at + 150 with a maximum bet a $500. Wouldn't it seem logical that person should make both bets?
Wouldn't you think it was crazy that person said I don't make bets unless its +200. I can see if that person only had seven or eight hundred bucks that you might want to save a few hundred bucks just in case a different bet with a super good line came up while he was waiting for the original bet to resolve. However if somebody has enough money to cover most foreseeable situations it makes absolutely no sense lot to take the + 150 bet as well.
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darkoz
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September 4th, 2019 at 10:16:27 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



I have a feeling in his example there's much more risk than he's letting on

the risk of going to jail = NO

The risk of having money confiscated, = NO

the risk of someone grabbing their own free play after you invested 2,000 = YES BUT I USE TRUSTED PEOPLE OR THOSE BROUGHT IN BY TRUSTED PEOPLE TO MITIGATE THAT



The truth is I have been suspicious that you are the one with limited bankroll and funds considering how you claim you never wish to miss a play.

That sounds to me like someone who may find themselves short of rent and gas money if they dont chase every opportunity

Since you consistently try to make it sound like there is something wrong with public transportation as if to divert attention from your own shortcomings financially
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