Stranger split $4000 jackpot with me
Quote: RedParrotI was playing VP when the guy sitting next to me hit a jackpot for $4000. He turns to me and offers me half the jackpot if I switch sweats and claim the win as my own. I agreed, signed the W2-G under my name and handed him half the money and walked out. Why would he just give me $2000 for free?? Should I not have accepted? Will I have any problems if I go back to this casino?
No offense, but personally I think he offered you too much whatever the reason.
He could have been banned at that casino. He could be wanted by police. Who knows.
In any case, it doesn't sound like anything one would plan purposely. Unless he was playing with stolen money, then it's always +ev (until you're caught anyway)
No way to know for sure if you'll have any issues going forward in that casino. If they catch or question you, since it sounds like you didn't know it was illegal (which it is), then just go off that and say you didn't know it was wrong I thought he was just being a nice guy. (And after all, he could have just been a nice guy who wanted to play the other machine!)
Sure has the same imagination and style of writing as the hobo we know as Nate a GoGo.
Quote: RedParrotI was playing VP when the guy sitting next to me hit a jackpot for $4000. He turns to me and offers me half the jackpot if I switch sweats and claim the win as my own. I agreed, signed the W2-G under my name and handed him half the money and walked out. Why would he just give me $2000 for free?? Should I not have accepted? Will I have any problems if I go back to this casino?
And some say there's no such thing as AP!
Just for the record, I get no Kentry-ish vibes here myself.
That's exactly what Kentry and Nathan would say.Quote: odiousgambitAnd some say there's no such thing as AP!
Just for the record, I get no Kentry-ish vibes here myself.
Quote: RSHe's probably on the radar -- either banned from casino, doing illegal stuff (police are tracking him or IRS or he claimed bankruptcy or something), or he's gotta pay child support / alimony (I honestly don't know what alimony is, but it sounds fitting) or something like that.
No way to know for sure if you'll have any issues going forward in that casino. If they catch or question you, since it sounds like you didn't know it was illegal (which it is), then just go off that and say you didn't know it was wrong I thought he was just being a nice guy. (And after all, he could have just been a nice guy who wanted to play the other machine!)
Alimony is money you pay to an ex spouse that is court ordered. I always hated that. Why should I have to financially support an adult I am no longer legally bonded to? Child support payments are okay after divorce since you are still legally bonded to the child even after divorce but the adult you divorced, hell no. Especially if the ex spouse deserved the divorce by doing something really heinous like cheating. Why should I have to pay you for cheating on me? I love the idea of prenups. Once we are divorced I no longer have to financially support your adult ass with a prenup.
*sigh*Quote: NathanAlimony is money you pay to an ex spouse that is court ordered. I always hated that. Why should I have to financially support an adult I am no longer legally bonded to? Child support payments are okay after divorce since you are still legally bonded to the child even after divorce but the adult you divorced, hell no. Especially if the ex spouse deserved the divorce by doing something really heinous like cheating. Why should I have to pay you for cheating on me? I love the idea of prenups. Once we are divorced I no longer have to financially support your adult ass with a prenup.
I'll have to ask onm what the current theory is on whether Nathan is a man pretending to be a woman, or a woman pretending to be a man that pretends to be a woman, or maybe it goes back more layers [made my head explode a few days ago]
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realize I never denied being either one!Quote: AxelWolfThat's exactly what Kentry and Nathan would say.
One day I was at the local casino, doing coin in on VP, I think $1 8/5 BP single line. Could have been 50c. Anyway, some guy next to me was really chatty and nice and friendly and all that. I finished my coin in and had a few dollars left, so I figured I'd play it until it gets to $0 or to a somewhat regular even amount to cash out, like $20. Finally, got down to $0, grabbed my card, said bye to the dude, and was about to leave the high limit room (higher limits than main floor, at least). He gave me $100, said to keep playing.
I was like nah, I don't want $100 and have to pay ya back, and made up some excuse. He said nah it's fine, if you lose, don't pay me back. If you win, I (the dude) gets the $100 back and half the profit or something like that. I verify a few times that I'm essentially getting a complete free roll and won't have to pay back any loss. So he tells me to switch to DDB or BPD....I never played either of those games before, but figured what the hell, his money. The $100 goes down the drain, I thank him or whatever, and am about to leave, and he whips out another $100. So I keep playing. I lose it....and here comes another hundred. And another. And another. I think he ended up giving me $500 or perhaps a hair more.
I asked him why he kept giving me money. He said he just gambles for fun and has plenty of money. I think he sold his company a few years prior and retired and had plenty to go waste on gambling or whatever the hell else people do with money. IIRC, he was playing $5 or $10 DDB and BPD, so the $500 or so wasn't a huge amount to give up, in comparison.
It was pretty cool, minus the whole part where I didn't catch any decent hands and never saw a penny in actual return. But hey, I got like $5k or $10k coin in for free, a "big" $500 or so loss on my account, the points back obviously, and likely a larger mailer the next month.
Never saw or heard from the guy again.
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Never saw or heard from the guy again.
:( That's not what Brian Boitano would do
Quote: RedParrotI was playing VP when the guy sitting next to me hit a jackpot for $4000. He turns to me and offers me half the jackpot if I switch sweats and claim the win as my own. I agreed, signed the W2-G under my name and handed him half the money and walked out. Why would he just give me $2000 for free?? Should I not have accepted? Will I have any problems if I go back to this casino?
1) Don't ever trade pants with someone. Ever
2) This didn't happen. There are precisely 0 casinos in this country that don't call up to security to verify hand pays. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch.
Troll/ban imho
Quote: RSHe's probably on the radar -- either banned from casino, doing illegal stuff (police are tracking him or IRS or he claimed bankruptcy or something), or he's gotta pay child support / alimony (I honestly don't know what alimony is, but it sounds fitting) or something like that.
Usually one of the above.
I got a jackpot once at a location I was already kicked out of. They paid me then just kicked me out again. :-)
Quote: jetermacawHad a similar experience last year had Harrahs AC. Gentleman playing 100 hand QQs dealt deuces with kicker for $2000. Offers me $100 to switch seats and card. No thanks. Explains that the adult community he lives in in Connecticut does not allow him to show over X in income and this would be his third W2 of the day.
Geez.... If that guy can afford to gamble, and is apparently making decent money at it, you'd think he could afford to live somewhere that doesn't micromanage his personal life!! WTF....
If the casino lets you claim it, hell with it, you have the power of plausible deniability.
My mother had a friend though that something similar happened. She was sitting at the bar playing VP and the guy next to her was playing Keno. He his something and the win was 1100. In this casino 1k locks up the machine. He flipped out a card and gave it to her quickly and said, claim this under your name and call me later and we will split it 50/50. She said it happened so quickly and he was gone. She didn't know what to do but when the attendant came over she took credit for it. She left the casino right after that and contemplated what to do. She was going to just keep it but was afraid he would call the casino and report her so she ended up calling him. They met and she found out that the only reason he did it was his wife didn't know he was there and didn't want to explain a tax form. Too bad for his stupidity since 1100 isnt a tax form, just a hand pay.
Quote: GWAELets pretend this actually happened. 2k was a bad amount to even except. You now have a w2g for 4k. Assuming no other write offs you are now going to have to pay taxes of approx 1200. It may even bump you into a different tax bracket and force you to pay more on your regular income.
That's not quite how taxes work. If you are "bumped into a higher tax bracket", the higher taxes are only on the amount above the lower tax bracket's maximum. AFAIK, other than things like getting a W-2 generated, there is never a situation where you end up with less money after taxes as a result of having more money before taxes. I went through this with who knows how many co-workers when the Reagan tax changes took effect.
On the other hand, this may not have been a smart move for any number of other reasons - for example, if the person is in the country illegally, or under 21, then the OP is an accessory to a crime, and IIRC, that's all it took for O.J. Simpson to become a guest of the Nevada State Government for a number of years, including a few extra for a gun being involved even though Simpson himself was unarmed.
Quote: NathanAlimony is money you pay to an ex spouse that is court ordered. I always hated that.
Alimony has been described as "buying oats for a horse you don't ride any more."
Quote: GWAELets pretend this actually happened. 2k was a bad amount to even except. You now have a w2g for 4k. Assuming no other write offs you are now going to have to pay taxes of approx 1200. It may even bump you into a different tax bracket and force you to pay more on your regular income. If you are low income and get the EITC then you may now have to forfeit that money which could be more than 2k. If you are a high earner then the 2k is probably ok and won't effect you...
Also, I would have thought it was okay to assume they were going to split "after" taxes... At least that's what I would have enforced.Quote: ThatDonGuyThat's not quite how taxes work...
He yells, obviously panicked, for his female friend to come over (I have no idea if they were dating) and she came running over and sat in the seat next to me to get paid. The guy quickly says to me, " I will pay you 50 bucks if you do not say anything about this." -- I said man this is not my business you don't have to pay me. That guy went running for the door. I moved to a different part of the casino because I didn't want to get involved, but I watched from a distance and they paid the lady.
Quote: ThatDonGuyThat's not quite how taxes work. If you are "bumped into a higher tax bracket", the higher taxes are only on the amount above the lower tax bracket's maximum. AFAIK, other than things like getting a W-2 generated, there is never a situation where you end up with less money after taxes as a result of having more money before taxes. I went through this with who knows how many co-workers when the Reagan tax changes took effect.
That is correct, except when you are giving half of the taxed income away. Going into a higher tax bracket probably won't hurt unless it disqualifies someone from something.
You absolutely have a point GWAE, but I think it's more/less a very finite pool of people on a particular line of income brackets, and also it would then depend on the actual amount of the W2G. Are we talking a $1200 jackpot or a $120,000 jackpot? etc.Quote: GWAEThat is correct, except when you are giving half of the taxed income away. Going into a higher tax bracket probably won't hurt unless it disqualifies someone from something.
There was a guy at a casino I was playing at that was playing blackjack with a progressive side bet. He hit the side bet for like $50k and when they brought out the paperwork and looked in to things apparently he owned back alimony and child support so they kept the winnings and didn't pay him. Whether or not the money went to whom he owed the money I have no clue, but I thought it interesting he thought he'd get away with getting paid. He had no idea about the rule.
Quote: RomesYou absolutely have a point GWAE, but I think it's more/less a very finite pool of people on a particular line of income brackets, and also it would then depend on the actual amount of the W2G. Are we talking a $1200 jackpot or a $120,000 jackpot? etc.
There was a guy at a casino I was playing at that was playing blackjack with a progressive side bet. He hit the side bet for like $50k and when they brought out the paperwork and looked in to things apparently he owned back alimony and child support so they kept the winnings and didn't pay him. Whether or not the money went to whom he owed the money I have no clue, but I thought it interesting he thought he'd get away with getting paid. He had no idea about the rule.
Alimony SUCKS! It should be outlawed!
Quote: NathanAlimony SUCKS! It should be outlawed!
Hijack and trolling this thread with your second off-topic response. 2 weeks. Martingale for 2nd offense.
Quote: MrVAlimony has been described as "buying oats for a horse you don't ride any more."
Also known as "motive", IMO. Would be in my case, anyway.
Quote: sabre
2) This didn't happen. There are precisely 0 casinos in this country that don't call up to security to verify hand pays. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch.
Troll/ban imho
Mine doesn't. Verify the transaction, sure, but we only check the actual play if there is suspicion of a swap or question as to who, exactly, hit the button.
Request denied.
Quote: beachbumbabsHijack and trolling this thread with your second off-topic response. 2 weeks. Martingale for 2nd offense.
Nathan didn't hijack anything. Go back and read page one!!
You've done worse offenses.
That's so low, I'd be suspicious that's a ruse to get the whole thing. That's quite a lucrative scam if they're real. Even funnier if they're in the same boat and the people pay off their debts instead of their own. I've seen this on a daytime court show years ago and the judge didn't want to reward the party for illegal activity. Party A was trying to escape a garnishment, party B took over and was garnished. Party A wanted the money and iirc Judge Judy said tough.Quote: BTLWII've heard there's guys in Vegas that will take your jackpots for a 10% fee. They don't care because they hide from the IRS. But I don't know how you'd A) get a hold of a person like that and B) have them show up quickly enough and C) trust them enough to pay you the 90%.
I think he was hoping for something in return.Quote: RSSpeaking of this topic, I had a similar experience before. It was several years ago and don't quite remember all the details. But anyway....
One day I was at the local casino, doing coin in on VP, I think $1 8/5 BP single line. Could have been 50c. Anyway, some guy next to me was really chatty and nice and friendly and all that. I finished my coin in and had a few dollars left, so I figured I'd play it until it gets to $0 or to a somewhat regular even amount to cash out, like $20. Finally, got down to $0, grabbed my card, said bye to the dude, and was about to leave the high limit room (higher limits than main floor, at least). He gave me $100, said to keep playing.
I was like nah, I don't want $100 and have to pay ya back, and made up some excuse. He said nah it's fine, if you lose, don't pay me back. If you win, I (the dude) gets the $100 back and half the profit or something like that. I verify a few times that I'm essentially getting a complete free roll and won't have to pay back any loss. So he tells me to switch to DDB or BPD....I never played either of those games before, but figured what the hell, his money. The $100 goes down the drain, I thank him or whatever, and am about to leave, and he whips out another $100. So I keep playing. I lose it....and here comes another hundred. And another. And another. I think he ended up giving me $500 or perhaps a hair more.
I asked him why he kept giving me money. He said he just gambles for fun and has plenty of money. I think he sold his company a few years prior and retired and had plenty to go waste on gambling or whatever the hell else people do with money. IIRC, he was playing $5 or $10 DDB and BPD, so the $500 or so wasn't a huge amount to give up, in comparison.
It was pretty cool, minus the whole part where I didn't catch any decent hands and never saw a penny in actual return. But hey, I got like $5k or $10k coin in for free, a "big" $500 or so loss on my account, the points back obviously, and likely a larger mailer the next month.
Never saw or heard from the guy again.
THAT'S NOT TRUE, it happens all the time. There are lots of casinos that don't look at surveillance to see who hit the jackpot.Quote: sabre1) Don't ever trade pants with someone. Ever
2) This didn't happen. There are precisely 0 casinos in this country that don't call up to security to verify hand pays. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch.
Troll/ban imho
Do I think this happened? I'll give it a 10% chance that this guy is for real.
Has something like this ever happened? I'll give that a 100% chance its happened multiple times.
I have seen stranger things happen in casinos.
On the flip side. Back in the 90's when the Sahara had their double Royals, a ploppy hit a RF during the promo. They didn't have a card or something like that. The ploppy realized they were not going to get the bonus. The ploppy was offered $1500 right now to walk away and allow the person to take over and get the bonus. They thought about it for a minute, but they declined.
If he was on the self exclusion list they wouldn't pay him.Quote: IbeatyouracesUsually one of the above.
I got a jackpot once at a location I was already kicked out of. They paid me then just kicked me out again. :-)
Quote: AxelWolfIf he was on the self exclusion list they wouldn't pay him.
True.
And ironically, no sooner I read this and a commercial for the Michigan problem gambling hotline comes on tv!
Quote: onenickelmiracleThere was a case where casino employees ripped off a casino for millions in jackpots that never happened. The manager was in on it, think he got life, and his accomplice died before trial. Not sure where, NM I think, definitely a NA casino.
Arizona or New Mexico.
I doubt most casinos have surveillance check if the same person who hit the jackpot is the one getting paid.
I'm not really sure. Lmao. 😂Quote: odiousgambit*sigh*
I'll have to ask onm what the current theory is on whether Nathan is a man pretending to be a woman, or a woman pretending to be a man that pretends to be a woman, or maybe it goes back more layers [made my head explode a few days ago]
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realize I never denied being either one!
Quote: Romes
There was a guy at a casino I was playing at that was playing blackjack with a progressive side bet. He hit the side bet for like $50k and when they brought out the paperwork and looked in to things apparently he owned back alimony and child support so they kept the winnings and didn't pay him.
I love that rule and think all jurisdictions should do it. I realize that it creates more work and less revenue for the casino so they will never voluntarily do it.
Quote: sabre1) Don't ever trade pants with someone. Ever
2) This didn't happen. There are precisely 0 casinos in this country that don't call up to security to verify hand pays. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch.
Troll/ban imho
I don't know how many casinos you have worked in but I would argue just the opposite. The majority of jackpots are not reviewed by surveillance. If the jackpot is large or suspicious it will be reviewed but not otherwise.
Quote: WatchMeWin+1
Sure has the same imagination and style of writing as the hobo we know as Nate a GoGo.
Why don't you just say, "Mission, please Suspend me!"?
This is a Warning. I see nothing, absolutely, literally, positively, undeniably NOTHING that makes Nathan the topic matter of this thread. I probably should Suspend you, but I'm in a lenient sort of mood.
Do you think I am going to stop Vulturing UX at *%%E%$#( Casino where I was banned (but not anymore) just because of the ban? Hell no! But, if I'm going to vulture high denominations or see a potential starting hand where I might end up with a handpay, I'm going to look around for, 'Likely,' people to accept a deal to sign the handpay. I'm not offering 50%, mind you, but that's because the casino marketed directly to me AFTER my ban, continued to do so, and as such, I had a legal argument to say they invited me there.
But, if someone is willing to take 25% and deal with the tax implications, hell yes I'm making that offer.
Fortunately, it's never come up. Only handpay I hit there (while Banned) my fiance was with me.
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But, if someone is willing to take 25% and deal with the tax implications, hell yes I'm making that offer.
In Vegas I have known lots of people that will sign for 10%.
