Magic Deal
Quote: djatcI'm too cheap to pay for gold
Amen.
Quote: RSCan someone tell me how to play this Magic Deal game w/o having to pay for it? I see screenshots of an IGT website....but when I went to the website it didn't have nothing on it that made it seem like there was a testing game to play. :(
RS - you can play Magic Deal for FREE (no catches, no ads, etc.) using the IGT link in this OP. However, the IGT site is ornery, and you'll have to click at least 2-3 times on the link:
https://igt.com/games/magic-deal-poker-mh-avp-video-poker-mob
Enjoy!
Edit: figured it out. Don't see this game in there.
Quote: RSCan someone tell me how to play this Magic Deal game w/o having to pay for it? I see screenshots of an IGT website....but when I went to the website it didn't have nothing on it that made it seem like there was a testing game to play. :(
If it becomes the weekly contest (sounds like it will be starting tomorrow), you'll be able to play it for free during the contest period.
Quote: tringlomaneIf it becomes the weekly contest (sounds like it will be starting tomorrow), you'll be able to play it for free during the contest period.
And indeed it is the weekly contest:
http://www.videopoker.com/contests/
A hint to speed things up for those that don't already know; If you double click on the draw button it goes much faster. (And this is true of many of the games).
Load the IGT link in I.E. I had trouble in Chrome (had to load the page anywhere from 3-100 times) but it loaded first try in IE (then again maybe I just got lucky).Quote: RSCan someone tell me how to play this Magic Deal game w/o having to pay for it? I see screenshots of an IGT website....but when I went to the website it didn't have nothing on it that made it seem like there was a testing game to play. :(
I got 3 magic cards on my second to last hand at VP.com:
currently in 12th place, and I'd guess by the end of the week that won't even make the top 1,000 :)
Quote: WizardI just posted the Magic Card probabilities in the Analyzing Magic Deal thread.
I was shocked to see that the feature raises the payback percentage by more than 1% on some paytables.
Quote: DRichI was shocked to see that the feature raises the payback percentage by more than 1% on some paytables.
Yes, that was a bit unlike IGT. With many games the feature return is only 0.1% or so greater than the base game return. However, I think they are right to bump it up more if a different strategy is involved, which is the case here. I estimate the cost of errors due to the feature to cost the player over 1%. It seems sporting to give the player a better value for making a bigger bet.
To be clear, you get the magic cards AFTER you hit draw, correct? If you hold 2 cards, you're then dealt 3 more. With your 5 card hand and 2 MC's, 2 of the cards will be replaced with the best cards? Or do you hold 2 cards, have 2 magic cards, and only get dealt 1 new card?
If that's the case, I'd imagine you'd be more "aggressive" in many hands. Most likely break up FH and hold 222/333/444 instead.
To the best of my knowledge, yes, you get the Magic Cards AFTER you hit draw.Quote: RSI haven't played it and I'm at a loss of how it works.
Example: With your 5 card hand incl 2 MCs, if you hold 2 cards, your 5th card will be replaced by the best match. Sadly, if you held Ah-Kh-MC-MC, and the draw makes your 5th card a Ks, the best hand would be 2 more Ks, and you lose the RF possibility.
Others with more experience will offer other views.
For a TOURNAMENT or CONTEST, I'm guessing that you'd modify the optimum strategy to score high.
So for a JoB game, I would favor 2 to a RF vs pair of 10s.
I welcome your views or that from others.
I played 2 rounds so far, for a measly 9,000+ and 7,000+.
Current leader is glitzy queen with 89,000+ on a single session.
Ouch!
EDIT: BTW, I use an iPad to play the Videopoker.com Magic Deal Tournament. Are iPad users at the mercy of "the server connection"? On 3 occasions I got kicked out in the middle of a session - luckily there were no MCs involved and the hand was not likely to develop into anything great. Or is there something I should try to do, like play at a specifi time (pls specify time zone, as I'm on Hawaii time)
For strategy, I posted above "So for a JoB game, I would favor 2 to a RF vs pair of 10s." That is MY version of an aggressive but modified optimum strategy. Any comments or suggestions?
The Magic Deal tournament currently offers 7 games:
Does anyone know if 1 of the 7 games has a more positive EV than the other 6? Could you rank them from best EV to worse? Or is the game you select purely a personal preference?
The more I play this game, the more I like it. Here's a really interesting hand just now.
I was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.
Note also, it appears that had I kept the diamond king instead, I would have had no royals.
Quote: beachbumbabsRe: games. The regular magic deal offers more games, and also in 3, 5, or 10 hand modes. This seems to be stripped down for the tournament.
The more I play this game, the more I like it. Here's a really interesting hand just now.
I was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.
Note also, it appears that had I kept the diamond king instead, I would have had no royals.
Considering the rules of the game, you would make a huge mistake if you held KK, even in DDB!!! When you you have a royal draw with MMM you have four cards where you can convert the royal, so it's about 4 times as strong as a normal Royal draw.
MMM is huge, especially in the big quad games since you're guaranteed at least a quad.
Hell I broke this earlier tonight:
Result:
But 3 times the typical royal draw makes it worth it in theory. This is a real interesting and very swingy game.
BBB - For a $ game, I would have kept the Kh-Kd-M-M-M because I would treat it like a PAT hand - money in the pocket. For a no-$ game, I might have toyed with the idea of discarding a K to go for a mixed RF.Quote: beachbumbabsI was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.
I love your results!
I read Tring's reply too, and I'll have to re-read it again to examine why it would be a bad choice to keep the Kh-Kd-M-M-M. Need to sit on it for a while.
Thanks for your graphic reply!
Ok, babs & gang, here's Murphy's Law at work.Quote: beachbumbabsRe: games. The regular magic deal offers more games, and also in 3, 5, or 10 hand modes. This seems to be stripped down for the tournament.
I finally got dealt 2 As + 3 + 2 MCs = 4As + 3 or 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 credits.
Of course, before the ssssllllloooooooow servers could finish resolving my total, I get kicked out of the system. The server only got up to 3,000 and then just gave up. Aaaaaargh!! <Can you hear me, now?>
I sent a plea E-mail to the Videopoker.com folks, but I know they'll probably say "Too bad, so sad" or words to that effect. Oh well, c'est la vie, right? My 1/2 filled cup says: "Good thing you weren't playing for real money!"
Quote: LostWagesBBB - For a $ game, I would have kept the Kh-Kd-M-M-M because I would treat it like a PAT hand - money in the pocket. For a no-$ game, I might have toyed with the idea of discarding a K to go for a mixed RF.
This is why casinos can offer +EV games and still make money.
Quote: LostWagesOk, babs & gang, here's Murphy's Law at work.
I finally got dealt 2 As + 3 + 2 MCs = 4As + 3 or 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 credits.
Of course, before the ssssllllloooooooow servers could finish resolving my total, I get kicked out of the system. The server only got up to 3,000 and then just gave up. Aaaaaargh!! <Can you hear me, now?>
I sent a plea E-mail to the Videopoker.com folks, but I know they'll probably say "Too bad, so sad" or words to that effect. Oh well, c'est la vie, right? My 1/2 filled cup says: "Good thing you weren't playing for real money!"
Did you try to continue the session after a reloading? Did it not count the 20k? You'd think they would have registered it on their end.
The good news is that 20k isn't nearly close enough to winning anything of worth. Probably need more than 60k by the end of the week. Last contest, you needed more than 60k to win money. It will probably be higher this time.
Nothing like hitting dealt natural four 5's (WITHOUT MAGIC CARDS, B***ARD MACHINE!!!!) and AWAK a few times (WITHOUT MAGIC CARDS). This game is gaffed to all hell, I swear....
Plz don't make me watch another stupid butter commercial. Chipotle commercial, yes please. Butter -- no thanks.
Yeah, glitzy queen was in the lead last night at 89,000+. Not sure if they registered my 20,000. I'll check laterwards. Thanks for your post.Quote: tringlomaneIt will probably be higher this time.
I understand you & tringlomane recommended NOT keeping the Kh-Kd-M-M-M. If you could please explain a little more, maybe I'll have better results? Thanks so much.Quote: RSThis is why casinos can offer +EV games and still make money.
Quote: LostWagesI understand you & tringlomane recommended NOT keeping the Kh-Kd-M-M-M. If you could please explain a little more, maybe I'll have better results? Thanks so much.
Me, not them, but the thinking is, you have 4 to a royal with either king held. ANY of the other 4 cards will complete the royal, so you have a 4 in 50 shot of catching a royal each hand, and 10 tries at it.
Almost a certainty you will get one in this situation, earning 4x the amount you gave up to try. And, with this hand, the very worst you could do is 4OAK for 20 x 10 hands, with several higher hands in the paytable, so you're not giving up 1000; at worst you lose 800.
Then again, you could've just started with this:
Sigh. I hope this isn't the one dealt royal I ever get in my lifetime. I'd like to have been playing for pennies, even.
Fwiw, it dealt the Jd Qd, 3 M cards, then auto-held it all with a slow roll of the M cards; no opportunity to throw it away by accident, or take a picture before it uncovered the M cards one at a time. But it's kind of pretty; maybe I'll frame it and hang it on the wall. Lol
Quote: beachbumbabsMe, not them, but the thinking is, you have 4 to a royal with either king held. ANY of the other 4 cards will complete the royal, so you have a 4 in 50 shot of catching a royal each hand, and 10 tries at it.
Almost a certainty you will get one in this situation, earning 4x the amount you gave up to try. And, with this hand, the very worst you could do is 4OAK for 20 x 10 hands, with several higher hands in the paytable, so you're not giving up 1000; at worst you lose 800.
Then again, you could've just started with this:
Sigh. I hope this isn't the one dealt royal I ever get in my lifetime. I'd like to have been playing for pennies, even.
Fwiw, it dealt the Jd Qd, 3 M cards, then auto-held it all with a slow roll of the M cards; no opportunity to throw it away by accident, or take a picture before it uncovered the M cards one at a time. But it's kind of pretty; maybe I'll frame it and hang it on the wall. Lol
Yeah, I got the target hand in another contest on videopoker.com, I didn't win any cash for the week as I finished 37th. :(
From a tournament strategy standpoint, you are probably better off playing the games where you get 3 magic cards every 1 in 500 hands because you are going to NEED the dealt royal to have a chance, preferably two. When getting 3 magic cards, the odds of you getting dealt 2 Royal cards with it is 4*C(5,2)/C(52,2) = 3.02%.
So for 8/6 Jacks, the probability of a dealt royal looks like this:
3 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,2)/C(52,2) x 0.002 =0.0302 x 0.002 = 1 in 16,575
2 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,3)/C(52,3) x 0.026 = 0.00181 x 0.026 = 1 in 21,250
1 Magic Card: 4*C(5,4)/C(52,4) x 0.1085 = 0.000073876 x 0.1085 = 1 in 124,758
0 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,5)/C(52,5) x 0.8635 = 0.000001539 x 0.8635 = 1 in 752,449
Total: 0.000117 = 1 in 8566.4
For 9/6 DDB, the probability of a dealt royal looks like this:
3 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,2)/C(52,2) x 0.002 =0.0302 x 0.001 = 1 in 33,150
2 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,3)/C(52,3) x 0.026 = 0.00181 x 0.01 = 1 in 55,250
1 Magic Card: 4*C(5,4)/C(52,4) x 0.1085 = 0.000073876 x 0.084 = 1 in 161,146
0 Magic Cards: 4*C(5,5)/C(52,5) x 0.8635 = 0.000001539 x 0.905 = 1 in 717,945
Total: 0.000559 = 1 in 17,901
Quote: LostWagesI understand you & tringlomane recommended NOT keeping the Kh-Kd-M-M-M. If you could please explain a little more, maybe I'll have better results? Thanks so much.
I'll let you figure it out. :)
Do the math -- what do you get paid when you hold Kh Kd M M M ? What about Kh - M M M ? What about - - M M M ?
For starters, try to figure out what the LOWEST each of those holds can return.
As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.
Quote: WizardHullabaloo, I hope you don't mind that I used your screenshot from this thread as the official "image" for the game.
My pleasure.
Quote: WizardI just created a first draft of my page on Magic Deal.
As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.
The link to this forum at the bottom of the Magic Deal write-up page contains a typo. 'odds' as opposed to 'vegas'
Quote: AyecarumbaOut of curiosity, what happens if you are dealt a hand that can't be improved, (e.g., quad kings in JoB) and a Magic Card? Will it become an Ace to make the "highest possible hand", or will it just pick anything, since it makes no difference to the payout?
I had similar hands playing dw, but in the opposite direction. If the 1st 4 cards can't make a paying hand even with a wild card added, it tacks on the deuce anyway. Since the deuce is the most valuable card, I would think you're right about the game choosing the.most valuable card left, even if it does nothing, as the magic card.
Quote: DRichIs Magic Deal available in the field yet?
Someone on the videopoker.com forum said they played it at Four Winds in SW Michigan. It became available to all videopoker.com players at the beginning of the month. Was for gold only.
Quote: DRichIs Magic Deal available in the field yet?
Yes, I hit this at Orleans in September in a brief ten minute hit and run.
I wish I would have got the hand you got dealt at play money though!
And for that VP.com poster, he also claims he wins 80% of the time too...*rolls eyes*
