Las Vegas Video Poker and Video Keno Ratings
October 10th, 2016 at 5:06:46 PM
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This is a companion post to Las Vegas blackjack ratings. In addition to ranking every Vegas casino in blackjack, I also plan to do so for video poker and video keno. The way I am judging both is to take a random sampling of games and pay tables for the $0.25 denomination. Here are the results of 26 casinos surveyed so far.
Video Keno
I must say I was surprised to see the Encore and Wynn in the 1st and 3rd positions. My compliments.
Here are the results for video poker.
Video Poker
I welcome all questions and comments.
Video Keno
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Encore | 93.52% |
| 2 | Rampart | 92.77% |
| 3 | Wynn | 92.69% |
| 4 | MGM | 92.55% |
| 5 | Main Street Station | 92.30% |
| 6 | Hooters | 92.30% |
| 7 | Suncoast | 92.14% |
| 8 | Palace Station | 91.72% |
| 9 | Golden Nugget | 91.56% |
| 10 | Monte Carlo | 91.16% |
| 11 | Westgate | 91.11% |
| 12 | SLS | 91.03% |
| 13 | Fremont | 90.97% |
| 14 | D | 90.87% |
| 15 | Luxor | 90.69% |
| 16 | Stratosphere | 90.39% |
| 17 | Excalibur | 90.38% |
| 18 | Caesars | 89.94% |
| 19 | Red Rock | 89.53% |
| 20 | Four Queens | 89.45% |
| 21 | New York New York | 88.80% |
| 22 | Aria | 88.58% |
| 23 | Tropicana | 88.45% |
| 24 | Palazzo | 88.21% |
| 25 | Mandalay Bay | 88.17% |
| 26 | Venetian | 87.15% |
I must say I was surprised to see the Encore and Wynn in the 1st and 3rd positions. My compliments.
Here are the results for video poker.
Video Poker
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Rampart | 98.04% |
| 2 | Suncoast | 97.92% |
| 3 | Hooters | 97.91% |
| 4 | Red Rock | 97.84% |
| 5 | Palace Station | 97.62% |
| 6 | SLS | 97.42% |
| 7 | Main Street Station | 97.26% |
| 8 | Westgate | 97.20% |
| 9 | Four Queens | 97.12% |
| 10 | Stratosphere | 97.02% |
| 11 | Wynn | 96.65% |
| 12 | Encore | 96.62% |
| 13 | Golden Nugget | 96.57% |
| 14 | Aria | 96.45% |
| 15 | Luxor | 96.41% |
| 16 | Monte Carlo | 96.38% |
| 17 | Fremont | 96.37% |
| 18 | Tropicana | 96.37% |
| 19 | Mandalay Bay | 96.30% |
| 20 | New York New York | 96.22% |
| 21 | D | 95.98% |
| 22 | Excalibur | 95.96% |
| 23 | MGM | 95.89% |
| 24 | Venetian | 95.05% |
| 25 | Palazzo | 95.05% |
| 26 | Caesars | 92.63% |
I welcome all questions and comments.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 10th, 2016 at 6:37:32 PM
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I want the wizard to read this.I believe if the casinos lowered the rake on poker to 2% they would increase business and the dealers would make more tips.They could also compete better with online poker sites.Just getting people to come in a casino is worth x amount of dollars to a casino.Why not pay full track odds in the horse books and work on a commission basis with the race tracks?Now casinos would be offering 2 very beatable games and I believe make more money from the increase in business.Many casinos are little more than an adult carnival with little or no chance of winning anything in the the long run.
October 10th, 2016 at 6:46:12 PM
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When you did the keno, how many numbers did you use? Like say a 5 spot or maybe a 7 spot. Or does it not make any difference?
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
October 10th, 2016 at 6:54:58 PM
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Quote: vegasWhen you did the keno, how many numbers did you use? Like say a 5 spot or maybe a 7 spot. Or does it not make any difference?
Thanks for asking. I look at the 10-spot pay tables for any game I can find. I also look at Top Bottom keno, which is only 40-spot. I'm thinking about removing Top Bottom keno from the survey because the returns on that game are usually about 2% lower than the other keno games.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 10th, 2016 at 8:05:21 PM
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Re VP rankings: I wonder about the methodology here. If you take such a small random sample, how representative is that sample of that casino's overall VP offerings? I'm thinking that if you were to sample, say, Palace Station, you'd get wildly different numbers each time you did so, depending on whether you happened to hit some of their full-pay or 99.8% machines or not (their paytables are generally pretty bad outside of those few good machines). Conversely, a place with essentially no good machines, like the Venetian, would probably return a more consistent sample on repeated iterations.
My admittedly nonscientific experience is that there are several places where many if not most of the machines are 98% or above. South Point comes to mind. Then there are the places with a few good machines, and mostly bad ones, such as most Stations casinos. Then there are the VP dismal swamps, which includes most Strip casinos. Boyd casinos would be closer to the South Point end of the spectrum--for instance, the Cal and MSS have a fair assortment of 98-99% games, and relatively few lousy ones. I am quite skeptical of the Rampart and Suncoast rankings--they both have a wide variety of pretty bad VP.
I'm not saying I have a remedy for this, short of surveying every single machine in every casino (which information would start obsolescing before you even finished), but I wonder how significant these results really are. That said, some of the true VP wastelands are, in fact, at the bottom of the list.
And BTW, the lowly Emerald Island in Henderson would probably score the highest in repeated random samplings, as EVERY VP machine in there has at least 9/6 DDB, and usually better games than that (lots of NSUD).
My admittedly nonscientific experience is that there are several places where many if not most of the machines are 98% or above. South Point comes to mind. Then there are the places with a few good machines, and mostly bad ones, such as most Stations casinos. Then there are the VP dismal swamps, which includes most Strip casinos. Boyd casinos would be closer to the South Point end of the spectrum--for instance, the Cal and MSS have a fair assortment of 98-99% games, and relatively few lousy ones. I am quite skeptical of the Rampart and Suncoast rankings--they both have a wide variety of pretty bad VP.
I'm not saying I have a remedy for this, short of surveying every single machine in every casino (which information would start obsolescing before you even finished), but I wonder how significant these results really are. That said, some of the true VP wastelands are, in fact, at the bottom of the list.
And BTW, the lowly Emerald Island in Henderson would probably score the highest in repeated random samplings, as EVERY VP machine in there has at least 9/6 DDB, and usually better games than that (lots of NSUD).
October 10th, 2016 at 8:13:35 PM
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I've never seen VP in the 92% range. How is that possible? What kind of game/paytable combination gets to that return?
The worst I've ever seen is 6/5 JoB at 95%
The worst I've ever seen is 6/5 JoB at 95%
October 10th, 2016 at 11:38:44 PM
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I remember seeing a 92% (or thereabouts) game at Plaza -- the deuces wild at the bar near the sports book.
October 11th, 2016 at 12:25:12 AM
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26 Caesars 92.63%
How is this possible for VP if you took the average of all games? I also am curious about the Venetian/Palazzo average right ahead of it. The others near the bottom I believe if you took the bottom of the typical game king range.
Also Fremont was particularly screwed on this list. They have some "full pay" quarter banks. Those 14 machines have a field average of 99.66% return, definitely better than normal downtown at the quarter level. I never been there, but Westgate has some great VP banks too. That's the problem with the random sample. Video poker members here don't care about some random game king. They want to know what's the best available, period.
Generally the worst I've seen nationwide until last year is 10/8/5/3/1/1 Bonus or 8/5/4 Double Bonus (94.18% each). But then I saw a 7/5/4 DB game (93.11%) and a 91.42% Deuces (WTF) at Bally's LV on a 100-penny to dime game late last year. But they did offer 6/5 Super DDB (97.69%) on that same unit, iirc. Oh I saw in another trip report Harrah's LV offering 9/6/5 Shockwave (93.23%) for 10 nickels, full pay is 12/8/5 (99.55%). That lucky SOB hit the shockwave quad for $400 though...lol
The Wizard hasn't tested it, but one of the highest in this test should probably go to South Point. I think nearly all their quarter games are "full pay". Hell even the bartop field average for their non-progressives is 99.33%.
How is this possible for VP if you took the average of all games? I also am curious about the Venetian/Palazzo average right ahead of it. The others near the bottom I believe if you took the bottom of the typical game king range.
Also Fremont was particularly screwed on this list. They have some "full pay" quarter banks. Those 14 machines have a field average of 99.66% return, definitely better than normal downtown at the quarter level. I never been there, but Westgate has some great VP banks too. That's the problem with the random sample. Video poker members here don't care about some random game king. They want to know what's the best available, period.
Quote: rsactuaryI've never seen VP in the 92% range. How is that possible? What kind of game/paytable combination gets to that return?
The worst I've ever seen is 6/5 JoB at 95%
Generally the worst I've seen nationwide until last year is 10/8/5/3/1/1 Bonus or 8/5/4 Double Bonus (94.18% each). But then I saw a 7/5/4 DB game (93.11%) and a 91.42% Deuces (WTF) at Bally's LV on a 100-penny to dime game late last year. But they did offer 6/5 Super DDB (97.69%) on that same unit, iirc. Oh I saw in another trip report Harrah's LV offering 9/6/5 Shockwave (93.23%) for 10 nickels, full pay is 12/8/5 (99.55%). That lucky SOB hit the shockwave quad for $400 though...lol
The Wizard hasn't tested it, but one of the highest in this test should probably go to South Point. I think nearly all their quarter games are "full pay". Hell even the bartop field average for their non-progressives is 99.33%.
October 11th, 2016 at 6:52:15 PM
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Yeah, I agree with this. And even non-experienced players SHOULD want to know what the best 25 cent game available is.Quote: tringlomaneThat's the problem with the random sample. Video poker members here don't care about some random game king. They want to know what's the best available, period.
Wiz: Could you get permission to incorporate the best 25 cent game based upon VPFREE2.com in another column ?
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
November 7th, 2016 at 6:35:56 AM
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Let me address some of the latest comments. I agree that this survey is not perfect. It would be nice to survey every single machine in a casino, but that isn't practical in terms of time. Random sampling is done in all kinds of surveys, presidential elections to name just one, and that is what I'm doing.
Regarding some casinos having teaser banks of full pay games, it is my policy to avoid anything that draws attention to itself. The full pay banks by the doors at Station casinos being a good example. I will fully disclose this in the survey. Perhaps I will also do a study of the best quarter games too.
Again, I admit this survey is not intended for advantage video poker players, but recreational ones.
All that said, here is a survey update. The only casinos left to do are the Boulder Highway ones, the Aliante, and the ones south of the Mandalay (Silverton, South Point, and M). Again, I am only including properties that have tables games and a hotel.
Video Poker
Keno
Regarding some casinos having teaser banks of full pay games, it is my policy to avoid anything that draws attention to itself. The full pay banks by the doors at Station casinos being a good example. I will fully disclose this in the survey. Perhaps I will also do a study of the best quarter games too.
Again, I admit this survey is not intended for advantage video poker players, but recreational ones.
All that said, here is a survey update. The only casinos left to do are the Boulder Highway ones, the Aliante, and the ones south of the Mandalay (Silverton, South Point, and M). Again, I am only including properties that have tables games and a hotel.
Video Poker
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 98.37% |
| 2 | Rampart | 98.04% |
| 3 | Suncoast | 97.92% |
| 4 | Hooters | 97.91% |
| 5 | Orleans | 97.86% |
| 6 | Red Rock | 97.84% |
| 7 | El Cortez | 97.79% |
| 8 | Plaza | 97.75% |
| 9 | Fiesta Rancho | 97.65% |
| 10 | Palace Station | 97.62% |
| 11 | Gold Coast | 97.51% |
| 12 | Cromwell | 97.50% |
| 13 | Golden Gate | 97.44% |
| 14 | Downtown Grand | 97.43% |
| 15 | SLS | 97.42% |
| 16 | Hard Rock | 97.36% |
| 17 | Casino Royale | 97.35% |
| 18 | Tuscany | 97.34% |
| 19 | Palms | 97.33% |
| 20 | California | 97.32% |
| 21 | Main Street Station | 97.26% |
| 22 | Texas Station | 97.25% |
| 23 | Silver Sevens | 97.22% |
| 24 | Westgate | 97.20% |
| 25 | Four Queens | 97.12% |
| 26 | Stratosphere | 97.02% |
| 27 | Circus Circus | 96.98% |
| 28 | Max | 96.90% |
| 29 | Wynn | 96.65% |
| 30 | Encore | 96.62% |
| 31 | Golden Nugget | 96.57% |
| 32 | Cosmopolitan | 96.45% |
| 33 | Aria | 96.45% |
| 34 | Luxor | 96.41% |
| 35 | Monte Carlo | 96.38% |
| 36 | Fremont | 96.37% |
| 37 | Tropicana | 96.37% |
| 38 | Treasure Island | 96.32% |
| 39 | Mandalay Bay | 96.30% |
| 40 | Harrah's | 96.26% |
| 41 | New York New York | 96.22% |
| 42 | Bellagio | 96.05% |
| 43 | Mirage | 96.02% |
| 44 | D | 95.98% |
| 45 | Excalibur | 95.96% |
| 46 | MGM | 95.89% |
| 47 | Planet Hollywood | 95.85% |
| 48 | Linq | 95.83% |
| 49 | Paris | 95.83% |
| 50 | Rio | 95.70% |
| 51 | Ballys | 95.52% |
| 52 | Flamingo | 95.27% |
| 53 | Venetian | 95.05% |
| 54 | Palazzo | 95.05% |
| 55 | Caesars | 92.63% |
Keno
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Encore | 93.52% |
| 2 | Bellagio | 93.17% |
| 3 | Rampart | 92.77% |
| 4 | Wynn | 92.69% |
| 5 | MGM | 92.55% |
| 6 | Main Street Station | 92.30% |
| 7 | Hooters | 92.30% |
| 8 | Golden Gate | 92.20% |
| 9 | Gold Coast | 92.16% |
| 10 | Suncoast | 92.14% |
| 11 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 92.03% |
| 12 | El Cortez | 92.02% |
| 13 | Palms | 91.97% |
| 14 | Plaza | 91.91% |
| 15 | Palace Station | 91.72% |
| 16 | Golden Nugget | 91.56% |
| 17 | Fiesta Rancho | 91.56% |
| 18 | Texas Station | 91.53% |
| 19 | Cosmopolitan | 91.41% |
| 20 | Silver Sevens | 91.36% |
| 21 | Monte Carlo | 91.16% |
| 22 | Max | 91.16% |
| 23 | Westgate | 91.11% |
| 24 | SLS | 91.03% |
| 25 | Fremont | 90.97% |
| 26 | Treasure Island | 90.97% |
| 27 | Tuscany | 90.88% |
| 28 | D | 90.87% |
| 29 | Luxor | 90.69% |
| 30 | Circus Circus | 90.67% |
| 31 | Downtown Grand | 90.62% |
| 32 | Stratosphere | 90.39% |
| 33 | Excalibur | 90.38% |
| 34 | Ballys | 90.37% |
| 35 | Orleans | 90.25% |
| 36 | California | 90.20% |
| 37 | Caesars | 89.94% |
| 38 | Mirage | 89.79% |
| 39 | Red Rock | 89.53% |
| 40 | Four Queens | 89.45% |
| 41 | Hard Rock | 89.21% |
| 42 | Cromwell | 88.82% |
| 43 | Harrah's | 88.81% |
| 44 | New York New York | 88.80% |
| 45 | Linq | 88.80% |
| 46 | Planet Hollywood | 88.75% |
| 47 | Aria | 88.58% |
| 48 | Paris | 88.57% |
| 49 | Tropicana | 88.45% |
| 50 | Palazzo | 88.21% |
| 51 | Mandalay Bay | 88.17% |
| 52 | Flamingo | 87.57% |
| 53 | Rio | 87.57% |
| 54 | Casino Royale | 87.47% |
| 55 | Venetian | 87.15% |
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 7th, 2016 at 2:21:46 PM
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I appreciate the effort here wiz, but can you list the video poker details that you found by variant for:
#12 Cromwell
Since you explicitly said you avoided advertised banks, I'm very curious as to why this is so high. I haven't checked Cromwell recently, but every other CET property I've looked at, the highest quarter game available is typically 97.69%. To have a 97.5% average they must still offer 7/5 Bonus for quarters or something.
#55 Caesars Palace
I really want to see what horrid games are here for you to have such a terrible average return. I also would argue this place could possibly use a recheck. The CET bartop average for nearly every strip bar is about 95.2%. How did you get 92.63%??
#12 Cromwell
Since you explicitly said you avoided advertised banks, I'm very curious as to why this is so high. I haven't checked Cromwell recently, but every other CET property I've looked at, the highest quarter game available is typically 97.69%. To have a 97.5% average they must still offer 7/5 Bonus for quarters or something.
#55 Caesars Palace
I really want to see what horrid games are here for you to have such a terrible average return. I also would argue this place could possibly use a recheck. The CET bartop average for nearly every strip bar is about 95.2%. How did you get 92.63%??
November 7th, 2016 at 4:41:24 PM
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The D is 44th of 55. This is terrible and now the owner has bought more downtown properties. He is bringing strip pay tables to the downtown. I guess all you need is loud music and dancing girls and they will come in to play.
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
November 7th, 2016 at 4:45:12 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneI appreciate the effort here wiz, but can you list the video poker details that you found by variant for:
#12 Cromwell
Since you explicitly said you avoided advertised banks, I'm very curious as to why this is so high. I haven't checked Cromwell recently, but every other CET property I've looked at, the highest quarter game available is typically 97.69%. To have a 97.5% average they must still offer 7/5 Bonus for quarters or something.
The Cromwell has many VP games over 99% in quarters50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
November 7th, 2016 at 5:36:22 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneI appreciate the effort here wiz, but can you list the video poker details that you found by variant for:
#12 Cromwell
Since you explicitly said you avoided advertised banks, I'm very curious as to why this is so high. I haven't checked Cromwell recently, but every other CET property I've looked at, the highest quarter game available is typically 97.69%. To have a 97.5% average they must still offer 7/5 Bonus for quarters or something.
Yes, the Cromwell posed a little bit of a problem. At the time I surveyed it I didn't know about that teaser bank at the entrance. They do not have any special signage to draw attention to the games, like they do at Station casinos. So I sat down with my notebook and was very surprised at the pay tables I saw. It is also hard to ignore them because the Cromwell is small and has very little video poker elsewhere. So, what you see is a blended average between the good games in front and lousy ones in the back.
Quote:#55 Caesars Palace
I really want to see what horrid games are here for you to have such a terrible average return. I also would argue this place could possibly use a recheck. The CET bartop average for nearly every strip bar is about 95.2%. How did you get 92.63%??
You're absolutely right. Upon checking my figures I found an error in my spreadsheet. Thank you for keeping me on my toes. A similar issue also affected a few other casinos I surveyed early in the process. Updated tables are below.
Keno
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Encore | 93.52% |
| 2 | Bellagio | 93.17% |
| 3 | Rampart | 92.77% |
| 4 | Wynn | 92.69% |
| 5 | MGM | 92.55% |
| 6 | Main Street Station | 92.30% |
| 7 | Hooters | 92.30% |
| 8 | Golden Gate | 92.20% |
| 9 | Gold Coast | 92.16% |
| 10 | Suncoast | 92.14% |
| 11 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 92.03% |
| 12 | El Cortez | 92.02% |
| 13 | Palms | 91.97% |
| 14 | Plaza | 91.91% |
| 15 | Palace Station | 91.72% |
| 16 | Golden Nugget | 91.56% |
| 17 | Fiesta Rancho | 91.56% |
| 18 | Texas Station | 91.53% |
| 19 | Cosmopolitan | 91.41% |
| 20 | Silver Sevens | 91.36% |
| 21 | Monte Carlo | 91.16% |
| 22 | Max | 91.16% |
| 23 | Westgate | 91.11% |
| 24 | SLS | 91.03% |
| 25 | Fremont | 90.97% |
| 26 | Treasure Island | 90.97% |
| 27 | Tuscany | 90.88% |
| 28 | D | 90.87% |
| 29 | Luxor | 90.69% |
| 30 | Circus Circus | 90.67% |
| 31 | Downtown Grand | 90.62% |
| 32 | Stratosphere | 90.39% |
| 33 | Excalibur | 90.38% |
| 34 | Ballys | 90.37% |
| 35 | Orleans | 90.25% |
| 36 | California | 90.20% |
| 37 | Caesars | 89.94% |
| 38 | Mirage | 89.79% |
| 39 | Red Rock | 89.53% |
| 40 | Four Queens | 89.45% |
| 41 | Hard Rock | 89.21% |
| 42 | Cromwell | 88.82% |
| 43 | Harrah's | 88.81% |
| 44 | New York New York | 88.80% |
| 45 | Linq | 88.80% |
| 46 | Planet Hollywood | 88.75% |
| 47 | Aria | 88.58% |
| 48 | Paris | 88.57% |
| 49 | Tropicana | 88.45% |
| 50 | Palazzo | 88.21% |
| 51 | Mandalay Bay | 88.17% |
| 52 | Flamingo | 87.57% |
| 53 | Rio | 87.57% |
| 54 | Casino Royale | 87.47% |
| 55 | Venetian | 87.15% |
Video Poker
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 98.37% |
| 2 | Rampart | 98.04% |
| 3 | Suncoast | 97.92% |
| 4 | Hooters | 97.91% |
| 5 | Orleans | 97.86% |
| 6 | Red Rock | 97.84% |
| 7 | El Cortez | 97.79% |
| 8 | Plaza | 97.75% |
| 9 | Fiesta Rancho | 97.65% |
| 10 | Palace Station | 97.62% |
| 11 | Gold Coast | 97.51% |
| 12 | Cromwell | 97.50% |
| 13 | Golden Gate | 97.44% |
| 14 | Downtown Grand | 97.43% |
| 15 | SLS | 97.42% |
| 16 | Hard Rock | 97.36% |
| 17 | Casino Royale | 97.35% |
| 18 | Tuscany | 97.34% |
| 19 | Palms | 97.33% |
| 20 | California | 97.32% |
| 21 | Main Street Station | 97.26% |
| 22 | Texas Station | 97.25% |
| 23 | Silver Sevens | 97.22% |
| 24 | Westgate | 97.20% |
| 25 | Four Queens | 97.12% |
| 26 | Stratosphere | 97.02% |
| 27 | Circus Circus | 96.98% |
| 28 | Max | 96.90% |
| 29 | Wynn | 96.65% |
| 30 | Encore | 96.62% |
| 31 | Golden Nugget | 96.57% |
| 32 | Cosmopolitan | 96.45% |
| 33 | Aria | 96.45% |
| 34 | Luxor | 96.41% |
| 35 | Monte Carlo | 96.38% |
| 36 | Fremont | 96.37% |
| 37 | Tropicana | 96.37% |
| 38 | Treasure Island | 96.32% |
| 39 | Mandalay Bay | 96.30% |
| 40 | Caesars | 96.28% |
| 41 | Harrah's | 96.26% |
| 42 | New York New York | 96.22% |
| 43 | Bellagio | 96.05% |
| 44 | Mirage | 96.02% |
| 45 | D | 95.98% |
| 46 | Excalibur | 95.96% |
| 47 | MGM | 95.89% |
| 48 | Planet Hollywood | 95.85% |
| 49 | Linq | 95.83% |
| 50 | Paris | 95.83% |
| 51 | Rio | 95.70% |
| 52 | Ballys | 95.52% |
| 53 | Flamingo | 95.27% |
| 54 | Venetian | 95.05% |
| 55 | Palazzo | 95.05% |
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 20th, 2016 at 7:28:08 AM
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What does a 93% keno pay out look like, also, how did GVR and Red Rock fare in the keno category?
November 28th, 2016 at 5:50:02 PM
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Here are updated rankings. This should include every casino with a hotel component except Binion's (somehow forgot it), Cannery (that is way out in the middle of nowhere), and the Lucky Dragon (haven't been there yet).
Regarding the suggestion that I shouldn't ignore the teaser video poker games with good pay tables, I'm still considering that. For now, the list is still the average in my survey only, in which I avoided machines that had signage indicating the returns were higher than the casino norm. I do have an average that takes a weighted average of my average and the highest return on VP free. However, I struggled in how to do the weighting. Sometimes a casino has the best game all over the place and sometimes it my be just one machine with a rogue loose pay table the casino probably doesn't even know about.
That said, here are the keno ratings:
And video poker:
Regarding the suggestion that I shouldn't ignore the teaser video poker games with good pay tables, I'm still considering that. For now, the list is still the average in my survey only, in which I avoided machines that had signage indicating the returns were higher than the casino norm. I do have an average that takes a weighted average of my average and the highest return on VP free. However, I struggled in how to do the weighting. Sometimes a casino has the best game all over the place and sometimes it my be just one machine with a rogue loose pay table the casino probably doesn't even know about.
That said, here are the keno ratings:
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Encore | 93.52% |
| 2 | Arizona Charlie's -- Boulder | 93.47% |
| 3 | Bellagio | 93.17% |
| 4 | Rampart | 92.77% |
| 5 | Wynn | 92.69% |
| 6 | MGM | 92.55% |
| 7 | Main Street Station | 92.30% |
| 8 | Hooters | 92.30% |
| 9 | Golden Gate | 92.20% |
| 10 | Gold Coast | 92.16% |
| 11 | Eastside Cannery | 92.12% |
| 12 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 92.03% |
| 13 | El Cortez | 92.02% |
| 14 | Palms | 91.97% |
| 15 | South Point | 91.96% |
| 16 | Fremont | 91.93% |
| 17 | Plaza | 91.91% |
| 18 | M | 91.74% |
| 19 | Palace Station | 91.72% |
| 20 | Golden Nugget | 91.56% |
| 21 | Fiesta Rancho | 91.56% |
| 22 | Texas Station | 91.53% |
| 23 | Cosmopolitan | 91.41% |
| 24 | Silver Sevens | 91.36% |
| 25 | Suncoast | 91.25% |
| 26 | Max | 91.16% |
| 27 | Monte Carlo | 91.16% |
| 28 | Westgate | 91.11% |
| 29 | SLS | 91.03% |
| 30 | Green Valley Ranch | 91.03% |
| 31 | Aliante | 91.02% |
| 32 | Fiesta Henderson | 91.01% |
| 33 | Treasure Island | 90.97% |
| 34 | Tuscany | 90.88% |
| 35 | D | 90.87% |
| 36 | Boulder Station | 90.73% |
| 37 | Luxor | 90.69% |
| 38 | Downtown Grand | 90.67% |
| 39 | Circus Circus | 90.67% |
| 40 | Stratosphere | 90.39% |
| 41 | Excalibur | 90.38% |
| 42 | Ballys | 90.37% |
| 43 | Longhorn | 90.37% |
| 44 | Sunset Station | 90.25% |
| 45 | Orleans | 90.25% |
| 46 | California | 90.20% |
| 47 | Caesars | 89.94% |
| 48 | Mirage | 89.79% |
| 49 | Red Rock | 89.53% |
| 50 | Four Queens | 89.45% |
| 51 | Silverton | 89.30% |
| 52 | Hard Rock | 89.21% |
| 53 | Cromwell | 88.82% |
| 54 | Harrah's | 88.81% |
| 55 | New York New York | 88.80% |
| 56 | Linq | 88.80% |
| 57 | Planet Hollywood | 88.75% |
| 58 | Aria | 88.58% |
| 59 | Paris | 88.57% |
| 60 | Tropicana | 88.45% |
| 61 | Palazzo | 88.21% |
| 62 | Mandalay Bay | 88.17% |
| 63 | Rio | 87.57% |
| 64 | Flamingo | 87.57% |
| 65 | Casino Royale | 87.47% |
| 66 | Venetian | 87.15% |
And video poker:
| Rank | Casino | Return |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | South Point | 99.38% |
| 2 | Arizona Charlie's -- Decatur | 98.37% |
| 3 | Eastside Cannery | 98.16% |
| 4 | Hooters | 97.91% |
| 5 | Orleans | 97.86% |
| 6 | M | 97.86% |
| 7 | Arizona Charlie's -- Boulder | 97.83% |
| 8 | El Cortez | 97.79% |
| 9 | Plaza | 97.75% |
| 10 | Fiesta Rancho | 97.65% |
| 11 | Rampart | 97.62% |
| 12 | Palace Station | 97.62% |
| 13 | Gold Coast | 97.51% |
| 14 | Boulder Station | 97.50% |
| 15 | Cromwell | 97.50% |
| 16 | Longhorn | 97.49% |
| 17 | Red Rock | 97.47% |
| 18 | Green Valley Ranch | 97.44% |
| 19 | Golden Gate | 97.44% |
| 20 | SLS | 97.42% |
| 21 | Aliante | 97.42% |
| 22 | Downtown Grand | 97.38% |
| 23 | Hard Rock | 97.36% |
| 24 | Casino Royale | 97.35% |
| 25 | Tuscany | 97.34% |
| 26 | Palms | 97.33% |
| 27 | California | 97.32% |
| 28 | Main Street Station | 97.26% |
| 29 | Texas Station | 97.25% |
| 30 | Silver Sevens | 97.22% |
| 31 | Fiesta Henderson | 97.20% |
| 32 | Sunset Station | 97.14% |
| 33 | Westgate | 97.13% |
| 34 | Four Queens | 97.12% |
| 35 | Stratosphere | 97.02% |
| 36 | Suncoast | 97.02% |
| 37 | Circus Circus | 96.98% |
| 38 | Max | 96.90% |
| 39 | Silverton | 96.78% |
| 40 | Wynn | 96.65% |
| 41 | Encore | 96.62% |
| 42 | Golden Nugget | 96.57% |
| 43 | Cosmopolitan | 96.45% |
| 44 | Aria | 96.45% |
| 45 | Luxor | 96.41% |
| 46 | Monte Carlo | 96.38% |
| 47 | Fremont | 96.37% |
| 48 | Tropicana | 96.37% |
| 49 | Treasure Island | 96.32% |
| 50 | Mandalay Bay | 96.30% |
| 51 | Caesars | 96.28% |
| 52 | Harrah's | 96.26% |
| 53 | New York New York | 96.22% |
| 54 | Bellagio | 96.05% |
| 55 | Mirage | 96.02% |
| 56 | D | 95.98% |
| 57 | Excalibur | 95.96% |
| 58 | MGM | 95.89% |
| 59 | Planet Hollywood | 95.85% |
| 60 | Linq | 95.83% |
| 61 | Paris | 95.83% |
| 62 | Rio | 95.70% |
| 63 | Ballys | 95.52% |
| 64 | Flamingo | 95.27% |
| 65 | Venetian | 95.05% |
| 66 | Palazzo | 95.05% |
Last edited by: Wizard on Nov 30, 2016
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 28th, 2016 at 6:36:54 PM
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Main Street Station has a scratcher card bonus if you get quads on VP. I would think this promotion would push them above their sister property, the California. Was this promotion factored into the return?
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 28th, 2016 at 6:44:31 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaMain Street Station has a scratcher card bonus if you get quads on VP. I would think this promotion would push them above their sister property, the California. Was this promotion factored into the return?
I think you can't factor promotions into such a list, even long-standing ones, because they do have a tendency to come and go. Also, you'd have to have separate rankings for days when casino-wide promotions were in effect and when they weren't--for instance, Stations would be ranked differently on double-point days. Furthermore, slot club base return rates would affect the overall net ranking, but that would further complicate matters (for instance, given that South Point returns 0.3% and most other places return only 0.1% or less, its ranking should actually be higher than it is). I'm sure the Wiz doesn't want to go to all that trouble--but the APs here know all that information intimately, even as it changes from day to day.
November 30th, 2016 at 6:41:40 AM
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First, in correctly posted the video poker table twice. Sorry about that. I just fixed it.
Nooooooooooo. If I factor in that I should be fair and factor in every detail of every player reward program, not to mention comps and free play they throw on top of that. To be honest, I had hoped this site would bring in the kind of revenue to monitor such detail, but it never did. So you will have to settle for just the pay tables.
Quote: AyecarumbaMain Street Station has a scratcher card bonus if you get quads on VP. I would think this promotion would push them above their sister property, the California. Was this promotion factored into the return?
Nooooooooooo. If I factor in that I should be fair and factor in every detail of every player reward program, not to mention comps and free play they throw on top of that. To be honest, I had hoped this site would bring in the kind of revenue to monitor such detail, but it never did. So you will have to settle for just the pay tables.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 30th, 2016 at 9:40:25 AM
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He also owns the Golden Gate (No. 8), no? So, randomness of the selected machines.
