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September 14th, 2016 at 4:42:25 PM permalink
first time playing videopoker.com.

doing 10line dstp (8/5 bp) for DiaD, I hit ALOT of quads.

Just wondering if I just got really lucky, or the site gives out high paying hands like candy?
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September 14th, 2016 at 5:29:34 PM permalink
You got really lucky.

I do believe it is a random shuffle.
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September 14th, 2016 at 5:46:13 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

first time playing videopoker.com.

doing 10line dstp (8/5 bp) for DiaD, I hit ALOT of quads.

Just wondering if I just got really lucky, or the site gives out high paying hands like candy?



I've played thousands and thousands of hands there. I've never noticed anything that would tell me it was anything but random.


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September 14th, 2016 at 5:49:25 PM permalink
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I've played thousands and thousands of hands there. I've never noticed anything that would tell me it was anything but random.



I could say the same thing.
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September 14th, 2016 at 5:57:20 PM permalink
Prior to a promotion I wanted to get a good feel for a game. I played for like 45 minutes and hit so many Royals it was insane, I just so happen to have my best run ever playing for free money.

Is there something in their advertisements that claim it's as random as their casino games?

Anyone totally convinced it's 100% random do they care to book the action?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 14th, 2016 at 5:57:51 PM permalink
Should've seen the natural quads I was getting on NSUD yesterday. Made the TDB players jealous.
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September 14th, 2016 at 6:58:44 PM permalink
This is copy/pasted (hope that's ok!) from videopoker.com under Learn/ RNG. While it doesn't say that's what they're doing on the site, it does say that's how their casino games work. Seems like it would be too much effort to try and change that for online. Besides, I suspect that if online gambling becomes regulated nationwide, they will be ready to hit the switch to start taking $$$$. They wouldn't want to mess up their reputation on a free play site.


The infamous Random Number Generator (RNG)

The key to understanding how legitimate, traditional Class III* video poker games work is understanding the role and function of an RNG. This refers to games like IGT's Game King (www.igt.com) and Triple-Play Poker (www.actiongaming.com).

The RNG is the hardest working device known, and it ensures a fair game every time. Its sole responsibility is to constantly shuffle the deck of 52 cards (or 53 in Joker Poker). This manic activity goes on and on UNTIL you hit the "deal" button. When you hit the deal button, the machine displays the 5 cards at the top of the deck at that precise moment. The RNG works all the time. Twenty-four hours a day. Three hundred and sixty-five days a year. Then it keeps on shuffling the remaining 47 cards (or 48 in Joker Poker) until you hit the deal button and the discarded slots are filled with whatever is at the top of the deck at that time.

It is this highly regulated and closely monitored piece of technology that keeps all the games fair and mathematically predictable. There is no "pattern" and no strategy for how it works—it just constantly cycles random card combinations around until you hit “draw” and "deal." It is one of the keys to legalized gambling: It assures the regulatory bodies that casinos are offering fair games and assures you that you are playing a “legit” game.

*Class III video poker games are what you find in the traditional gaming markets like NV and NJ, and compacted Indian markets like Mohegan Sun, Foxwoods, Barona, Mystic Lake, and so on—excluding video lottery games, bingo and central determination games, which operate differently.
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September 15th, 2016 at 6:39:22 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Prior to a promotion I wanted to get a good feel for a game. I played for like 45 minutes and hit so many Royals it was insane, I just so happen to have my best run ever playing for free money.

Is there something in their advertisements that claim it's as random as their casino games?

Anyone totally convinced it's 100% random do they care to book the action?



I have run way above average there too in my experience. It still probably is random because I've had bad streaks too, but it's crappy when I got dealt something like this in a weekly contest and I got 5000 player points (about 6c of value) for it.



Also when I downloaded their Android app, 8th round on the app i get a Royal on 5 play double STP. Lol
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September 15th, 2016 at 8:33:16 AM permalink
Their site doesn't work right on the phone I have. Plus, I'm not paying to upgrade just to play "free" video poker.
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September 16th, 2016 at 11:24:30 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

first time playing videopoker.com.

doing 10line dstp (8/5 bp) for DiaD, I hit ALOT of quads.

Just wondering if I just got really lucky, or the site gives out high paying hands like candy?


the quad train continues.
and this time with a Royal. sheesh...

it is fun tho.
this is the cure to my dstp itch, especially since the site has dstp (8/5 bp) and the best i can do at my casino is dstp (9/5 JoB).
99.7% vs 99%

no longer feel the need to play -EV machines till next year when it's time to renew my Diamond.
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Sep 16, 2016
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September 16th, 2016 at 11:39:06 AM permalink
"Then it keeps on shuffling the remaining 47 cards (or 48 in Joker Poker) until you hit the deal button and the discarded slots are filled with whatever is at the top of the deck at that time."

Is there a reason it keeps shuffling after the first 5 are dealt? Why not just freeze the deck once and then deal the discard slots with the next cards in line?
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September 16th, 2016 at 11:45:11 AM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

"Then it keeps on shuffling the remaining 47 cards (or 48 in Joker Poker) until you hit the deal button and the discarded slots are filled with whatever is at the top of the deck at that time."

Is there a reason it keeps shuffling after the first 5 are dealt? Why not just freeze the deck once and then deal the discard slots with the next cards in line?


i think the site says it tries to be authentic to what the casino does.

altho i always thought at the casino, once you press deal, the deck is frozen like you described?
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September 16th, 2016 at 11:53:32 AM permalink
My first reaction is to think that such a re-shuffle is advantageous to the player but I'm also thinking I'm wrong.

It just seems less likely that that first frozen deck would have 4OAK + deuce in the first 6-10 cards than the probability of that (or any other combination) occurring after a reshuffle. Or is the probability the same regardless?
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September 17th, 2016 at 8:17:52 AM permalink
Actually, I've played a lot on the site and done horribly, to the point where I've wondered the same thing as you, but in the opposite direction: do they make the games overly tight for some bizarre reason?

Despite my experiences, I would strongly suspect that they do juice up the software in some way to make it more likely you'll hit something big. After all, a) the purpose of the site is to get you to eventually play "real" video poker; b) the game manufacturers have a stake in it, as they supply the software for the new (practice) games; and c) the site is under no obligation to present fair, truly random games. So the chances of it being straightforwardly honest are IMHO microscopic. A casino, or anything connected with casinos, will cheat if it can.
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September 17th, 2016 at 8:25:49 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

i think the site says it tries to be authentic to what the casino does.

altho i always thought at the casino, once you press deal, the deck is frozen like you described?



It depends on the manufacturer, but there would be no functional difference between the two methods--the after-the-draw cards would still be randomly distributed, as it wouldn't matter when the initial five cards were taken out.

There was quite a stink when some older manufacturers used to deal ten cards immediately, five face up and five more correspondingly "underneath" each card. People reacted to the fact that it could be made impossible to, for example, make four Aces if one Ace was dealt "underneath" another one. This wasn't a valid concern if the software was truly random, but it certainly made it easy to insert a cheating algorithm. There were a lot of VP cheating machine scandals about 20 years ago. I think that you're not going to find a cheating VP machine today, not because the industry has suddenly become honest but because rigged software is so much easier to detect now that gaming enforcement personnel can count and spell and stuff.
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September 17th, 2016 at 8:53:27 AM permalink
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I have run way above average there too in my experience. It still probably is random because I've had bad streaks too, but it's crappy when I got dealt something like this in a weekly contest and I got 5000 player points (about 6c of value) for it.



Also when I downloaded their Android app, 8th round on the app i get a Royal on 5 play double STP. Lol



It looks like you were playing Peek and Play. That ace of diamonds was the next card in the deck so you were supposed to get it next in all ten hands.
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September 17th, 2016 at 4:49:39 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

the quad train continues.
and this time with a Royal. sheesh...

it is fun tho.
this is the cure to my dstp itch, especially since the site has dstp (8/5 bp) and the best i can do at my casino is dstp (9/5 JoB).
99.7% vs 99%

no longer feel the need to play -EV machines till next year when it's time to renew my Diamond.

To each his own, but for me personally I can't stand playing free VP or slots without some significant reward attached.

I don't even like MyVegas and I won't play it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 17th, 2016 at 10:33:40 PM permalink
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To each his own, but for me personally I can't stand playing free VP or slots without some significant reward attached.

I don't even like MyVegas and I won't play it.


I just like dstp.
I like getting multiplier hands but w/o learning a new strategy like you do w/Ult X and Multi-strike.
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September 18th, 2016 at 1:45:46 PM permalink
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I just like dstp.
I like getting multiplier hands but w/o learning a new strategy like you do w/Ult X and Multi-strike.

On the rare occasion where there's a good reason to play something new that's complicated strategy wise I would use the site to practice. It would be kinda like a homework project that wasn't fun or bad it's interesting for about 20 minutes.

Assuming it is random, It's a good way to get a feel for variance and just how easy or hard a game is.

I haven't been on there for a while, do the have stuff like Barnyard poker?
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:43:46 AM permalink
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the quad train continues.
and this time with a Royal.


And the quad train keeps on rolling.
this time it's special quads (ie: 2's, 3's, 4's). Lots of them in ~300 deals.
And this:



2 more DiaD and i'll be 7Stars.
so far I'm up thanks to +Variance.
lol free video poker
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September 23rd, 2016 at 7:18:42 AM permalink
hm.. videopoker.com does not have TapHouse?
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September 23rd, 2016 at 7:50:29 AM permalink
My complaint about the site is it isn't for training. Never really was able to change pay tables with gold. The games you want practice on, like Ux, no training at all. I found it quite disappointing the other month in their newsletter, they highlighted a story about a woman NOT HOLDING a kicker on tdb and getting AWAK. My only logical conclusion is their goal is getting people to play video poker and play worse than they could with just a little help. Whether they directly profit more through participation agreements, maybe.

I wonder seeing all these really complicated games with double bets, which you have to assume, might not add to the return, like you expect with older games like stp. Yeah right "if you were playing this game in quarters in the casino, you would have won $XXX.XX", if only that game was offered anywhere.
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September 23rd, 2016 at 11:43:30 PM permalink
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I have run way above average there too in my experience. It still probably is random because I've had bad streaks too, but it's crappy when I got dealt something like this in a weekly contest and I got 5000 player points (about 6c of value) for it.



Also when I downloaded their Android app, 8th round on the app i get a Royal on 5 play double STP. Lol



It looks like you were playing Peek and Play. That ace of diamonds was the next card in the deck so you were supposed to get it next in all ten hands.



Yes unfortunately since I got little real value for it. My other 99 hands stunk. Now if I was able to take that one hand and add it to my very next 100 hand session, I would have won the weekly contest for $150 instead of finishing 37th I believe. :(

Quote: 100xOdds

hm.. videopoker.com does not have TapHouse?



No. That game is virtually dead nationwide anyway. Aria has the only machine left in Nevada. 15 left nationwide.
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September 24th, 2016 at 5:37:48 AM permalink
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No. That game is virtually dead nationwide anyway. Aria has the only machine left in Nevada. 15 left nationwide.


hm.. I wonder why?
the gimmick adds to EV over the base game, just like ult X, and multi-strike.
and unlike those 2 games, you don't need to know a different strategy.
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September 29th, 2016 at 11:42:43 AM permalink
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right "if you were playing this game in quarters in the casino, you would have won $XXX.XX", if only that game was offered anywhere.



Or as if I'd be willing to play 600 quarters a spin....
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September 29th, 2016 at 12:40:04 PM permalink
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Or as if I'd be willing to play 600 quarters a spin....


$150/spin.
just pretend it's a $30 single line +EV machine
easy peasy
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