Triple Wheel Poker

I just saw Triple Wheel Poker for the first time in a casino today. Wizard, have you gotten anything from IGT on what the average wheel spin values are for the Bronze, Silver, & Gold Wheels? What (if anything) does it add to the total return of the game? The version that I saw was 9/5 DDB.

Thanks.

Idk about the return and any of that stuff -- other than its REALLY fun to play. It also seems like you hit bigger wheel spins if you're playing 10 lines and lower wheel spins if you're playing 3 lines.

I just asked my guy at IGT about it. I'm quite sure that game has weighted reels, so I wouldn't be able to analyze it myself without knowing the weights.

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It also seems like you hit bigger wheel spins if you're playing 10 lines and lower wheel spins if you're playing 3 lines.

wow

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wow

Not sure if sarcasm or serious...

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Not sure if sarcasm or serious...

Seemed like a serious realization of the shady workings of casinos to me.

that was serious

Haven't played the game in a while, but if I remember correctly it's 5+2 credits per line. But if the wheels were weighted the same for 3/5/10-play, then the 10-play would be the worst deal, because you'd be paying 20 credits/spin for a bonus, whereas in 3-play you'd be paying 6 credits/spin, both games would have equal probability of hitting (bonus wheels spin when you get a DEALT hand), thus, you'd get a significantly higher return from 3-play than 10-play, if they were all weighted the same. So I don't think they're weighted the same on 3/5/10 play. But I'm sure mike will have the answer soon.

OK... I misread your initial quote.... I thought you meant that you trigger the bonus more playing 10 handed vs 3 handed. But that's not what you meant... I understand your comment now. Sorry about that. Your explanation is plausible.

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Haven't played the game in a while, but if I remember correctly it's 5+2 credits per line. But if the wheels were weighted the same for 3/5/10-play, then the 10-play would be the worst deal, because you'd be paying 20 credits/spin for a bonus, whereas in 3-play you'd be paying 6 credits/spin, both games would have equal probability of hitting (bonus wheels spin when you get a DEALT hand), thus, you'd get a significantly higher return from 3-play than 10-play, if they were all weighted the same. So I don't think they're weighted the same on 3/5/10 play. But I'm sure mike will have the answer soon.

Yeah, I think they have to be weighted toward the bigger bonuses in 5 and 10 play, otherwise it would be a very bad idea to play 5/10 play. Would love to hear the weightings on these.

Just played these for a few minutes. I hit 4K, 4K, 600, 100, 600, then 125 (in that order). Also hit 2 royals on Super Hand. 1 hour 30 min worth of relatively slow play. Pay tables are awful (6/5 BP on triple wheel and 7/5 TDB on super hand).

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Idk about the return and any of that stuff -- other than its REALLY fun to play. It also seems like you hit bigger wheel spins if you're playing 10 lines and lower wheel spins if you're playing 3 lines.

That was probably a coincidence. The rules say that you enable the wheel feature with an extra bet of ten credits. The wheels spin based on the hand on the deal. So, the expected win from a spin is likely the same no matter how many hands you play, because the price is the same.

My guess is that the Wheel Feature has a return near 100% of the ten credits it costs.

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That was probably a coincidence. The rules say that you enable the wheel feature with an extra bet of ten credits. The wheels spins based on the hand on the deal. So, the expected win from a spin is likely the same no matter how many hands you play, because the price is the same.

My guess is that the Wheel Feature has a return near 100% of the ten credits it costs.

I just think the weightings are different for 3/5/10 play. I actually might be willing to make a wager that they are weighted differently and are more likely to hit a big payout on 10-play than on 3-play. Of course, that's assuming you haven't been given or read/heard about the info.

The price is not the same. It's a 5+2 coin/line game. On 10-play it's a total of 50+20 credits/game.


If it does return 100% or near 100% of the bonus coins bet, then in fact it would have to have different weights.

Imagine the game on single play (if it existed), then imagine it on something like 100-play (or 1,000-play, theoretically).

You'd be still just as likely to be dealt hand X, (let's say a dealt 3oak+ has a 100 hand cycle). On 3-play, it'd cost 100*3*2 = 600 credits to go into a bonus round. On 10-play, it'd cost you 10*100*2 = 2,000 credits to get into the bonus round.

Therefore, IF the weightings were constant, then 3-play would be without a doubt the best one to play, and 10-play would be the worst, because 3-play costs 600 credits while 10-play costs 2000 credits to get the same average return in the bonus.

Although this isn't proof.....in my experience, 10-play has had much better bonus returns than 3-play....which is the exact opposite of what it might "should be".

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The price is not the same. It's a 5+2 coin/line game. On 10-play it's a total of 50+20 credits/game.

You're right. I played the Bronze Wheel in 3-play and 5-play mode and they both had the same prizes:

300, 80, 125, 800, 200, 1000, 600, 60, 100, 75, 50

Contrary to what I wrote before, I agree the wheels must be weighted, the a higher average the more lines you play.

Bump. Did your inside info guy ever get back to you here, Wiz? Tonight on another forum I post at, I saw a poster hit the 10,000 credit slice on 3 play. 2nd time I saw a picture of that slice hit on 3 play this year, one on quarters, and tonight on dollars! Wow!