What should I have done?
March 26th, 2016 at 9:50:36 AM
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Have never played bonus deuces. Hell I never even play deuces but after hitting 4444A on TDB I decided to burn $50 in games I have never played. Geee I sounderstand like a ploppy the last few days. Well I guess on this trip we were. Parents had the kids and we were out for some fun. Anyways, was dealt this
I don't have Internet in this casino. I sat there for about 5 minutes, maybe longer agonizing what to do.
When I got home I check WoO and I am still not sure. He has listed a pat royal should be kept over 3ws but is this considered a pat royal? Did I make the complete wrong move here or was I right to just keep 3 2s. I wiffed on the 4th, FwiW.
I don't have Internet in this casino. I sat there for about 5 minutes, maybe longer agonizing what to do.
When I got home I check WoO and I am still not sure. He has listed a pat royal should be kept over 3ws but is this considered a pat royal? Did I make the complete wrong move here or was I right to just keep 3 2s. I wiffed on the 4th, FwiW.
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March 26th, 2016 at 9:56:51 AM
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You hold the wild royal here. That's worth 25. Holding the ducks is worth 16.245
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March 26th, 2016 at 9:59:15 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesYou hold the wild royal here. That's worth 25. Holding the ducks is worth 16.245
Gee that's not even close. Owell I wanted to make sure the casino still liked me. I will call it a cover play.
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March 26th, 2016 at 10:04:09 AM
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Ironically, I yesterday I hit quad deuces twice on JoB. The first was dealt 2222A in that order. The second I held three and drew 2, 3. I played a later session and got crushed, switched to the NSUD and got this...
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March 26th, 2016 at 10:13:53 AM
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Today was a really strange/good day. Got dealt 4444A on TDB, had AAAA2 on DDB, and KKKK on Aves and faces. Almost nailed that 4 2s on deuces. I play all t he games for variety and so often I get 2s on Job and a AAAA on dueces.
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March 26th, 2016 at 10:24:28 AM
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The simple rule on Bonus Deuces is to keep 5 of a kind and better.
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March 26th, 2016 at 12:26:42 PM
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Does that include 2222j. - stand pat?
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March 26th, 2016 at 12:55:23 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingDoes that include 2222j. - stand pat?
Gamble and go for the Ace kicker, while risking getting a 5th deuce and malfunction the machine? Or play it smart and hold 2222J? You should play it smartly. ;)
March 26th, 2016 at 1:29:25 PM
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Screw the 2's...
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March 26th, 2016 at 1:36:15 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingDoes that include 2222j. - stand pat?
Hold the Jack. You can't get a natural Royal holding any 2's.
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March 26th, 2016 at 1:52:54 PM
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But in bonus deuces you could discard the jack and get 2222a which should pay more
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March 26th, 2016 at 2:12:59 PM
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Before the royal today, I held AA2A and drew the case A on the deuces game. The only natural quad I got today.
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March 26th, 2016 at 2:42:31 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingBut in bonus deuces you could discard the jack and get 2222a which should pay more
In games where it doesn't matter, or where you can only improve like the scenario you mention, I never understood why people hold all five cards instead of 4OAK dealt. I've had people try and stop and scold me on multi-line 9/6 JoB holding the 4OAK and not holding the irrelevant 5th card....like why the hell does it matter what gets drawn for the 5th card on something like that.
March 26th, 2016 at 3:24:03 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200In games where it doesn't matter, or where you can only improve like the scenario you mention, I never understood why people hold all five cards instead of 4OAK dealt. I've had people try and stop and scold me on multi-line 9/6 JoB holding the 4OAK and not holding the irrelevant 5th card....like why the hell does it matter what gets drawn for the 5th card on something like that.
Other than Axel's bounty on a natural 5 of a kind. If it were to occur, it'd be a malfunction and void the win.
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March 26th, 2016 at 4:35:30 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingBut in bonus deuces you could discard the jack and get 2222a which should pay more
Yes, you are right. I guess I don't consider 2222J to be a 5 of a kind. I have been dealt the four 2's many times and have picked up the Ace. Probably statistically more than I should have.
One time I picked it up for a $20k jackpot. That was very exhilarating getting four 2's dealt for a guaranteed $10k and drawing one card for $20k, It was also on my first hand of the night and I was using freeplay.
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March 26th, 2016 at 8:03:45 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesOther than Axel's bounty on a natural 5 of a kind. If it were to occur, it'd be a malfunction and void the win.
A natural 5 of a kind is supposed to be impossible. You are implying that a "natural" 5 of a kind is more likely to come up when the first deal includes 4 of a kind and you should alter your play to avoid the possibility of 5OAK? I'm obviously not educated in this subject, but I would expect the odds of a "natural" 5OAK to be so low that I should never think about it.
March 26th, 2016 at 8:35:08 PM
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I'm not implying that it'll happen at all (except in Five Aces Poker). There's just no need to take that chance on the machine spitting one out because of a computer glitch and have the hand(s) voided.
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March 26th, 2016 at 8:37:58 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI'm not implying that it'll happen at all (except in Five Aces Poker). There's just no need to take that chance on the machine spitting one out because of a computer glitch and have the hand(s) voided.
I would gladly forfeit a $250 four of kind to have it happen to me.
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March 26th, 2016 at 8:39:04 PM
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Quote: DRichI would gladly forfeit a $250 four of kind to have it happen to me.
Not me, unless I'm guaranteed $251+ from a third party :-)
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March 27th, 2016 at 5:50:26 AM
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Quote: DRichI would gladly forfeit a $250 four of kind to have it happen to me.
Why?
$250 for a story? Does not seem worth it to me. I prefer to just hold all 5 and move on to the next.
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March 27th, 2016 at 6:42:58 AM
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In fairness I would equate the odds of getting good a machine malfunction when only holding 4 and discarding the fifth- to be about exactly the same as holding all five and having a malfunction or holding trips and getting a malfunction so why the need to waste time with only quads - plus it's just a wasted motion based on the actual chances
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March 27th, 2016 at 7:45:56 AM
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Quote: GWAEWhy?
$250 for a story? Does not seem worth it to me. I prefer to just hold all 5 and move on to the next.
Yes, for a story and a picture. Besides, I think there is a great chance you would get paid anyways.
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March 27th, 2016 at 7:48:34 AM
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Quote: Wizardofnothing- plus it's just a wasted motion based on the actual chances
I would say that since the odds of a malfunction are so great, the wasted motion would be that of holding the extra card. In either case you still need to hit the Deal button.
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March 27th, 2016 at 8:47:36 PM
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Quote: DRichI would say that since the odds of a malfunction are so great, the wasted motion would be that of holding the extra card. In either case you still need to hit the Deal button.
I agree 100%, hitting the Hold button for the fifth card is superfluous.
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March 27th, 2016 at 10:19:59 PM
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It's quicker to drag your finger across the screen to hold all five as opposed to have to life your hand and gloss over the odd card
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March 27th, 2016 at 10:41:31 PM
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I would agree with that, I'm a button guy, though.
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March 28th, 2016 at 6:45:26 PM
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A similar type of hand is the first hand I ever took a picture of on my cell phone. I also agonized a few minutes over it. Not because I wasn't sure of the play as I knew immediately. I hemmed and hawed because I wanted to gamble on it. Eventually I took the sure $6.25, which I eventually lost in the same machine. Bah.
Also a dealt wild royal is my best Ultimate X deal too.
With 2 deuces the decision is clear though.
Also a dealt wild royal is my best Ultimate X deal too.
With 2 deuces the decision is clear though.
March 28th, 2016 at 7:57:58 PM
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I need to stop playing deuces, but on a vulture I had
5s 2 2 9c 6c
Had 3 7xs and 3 3xs on quarter.
Again no cell. Kept the 4 to a str flush.
Maybe should buy strat guides.
5s 2 2 9c 6c
Had 3 7xs and 3 3xs on quarter.
Again no cell. Kept the 4 to a str flush.
Maybe should buy strat guides.
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March 28th, 2016 at 8:50:41 PM
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Depends on the paytable with that one. If the straight flush pays 65, then straight flush draw, otherwise just deuces. But either way, you're still ahead long term.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:33:30 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneDepends on the paytable with that one. If the straight flush pays 65, then straight flush draw, otherwise just deuces. But either way, you're still ahead long term.
Hmmm well then I am 0-2 on guesses. I am pretty sure it paid either 50 or 60 for sf but I could be misremembering.
I guess I am going to start practicing deuces since that is 2 hands in less than a week that are on the high end.
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March 28th, 2016 at 10:25:12 PM
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kinda off the subject but I was thinking about all the little nuances of VP.
In FPDW when I'm dealt 2 pair I always just hold the highest pair. Especially if its something like 33 KK. The main reason I decided to do it that way is because god forbid one of the cards don't hold you have extra value holding one king over one 3.
In FPDW when I'm dealt 2 pair I always just hold the highest pair. Especially if its something like 33 KK. The main reason I decided to do it that way is because god forbid one of the cards don't hold you have extra value holding one king over one 3.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 28th, 2016 at 10:55:31 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfkinda off the subject but I was thinking about all the little nuances of VP.
In FPDW when I'm dealt 2 pair I always just hold the highest pair. Especially if its something like 33 KK. The main reason I decided to do it that way is because god forbid one of the cards don't hold you have extra value holding one king over one 3.
I tend to go higher pair on FPDW or Colorado Deuces. But sometimes pick whichever pair I'm "feeling" more. But I won't hold Aces (I will in Bonus/DB Deuces obv). But recently I didn't hold the Aces and the other two appeared. I was still pretty annoyed, so I shouldn't care.
March 28th, 2016 at 11:15:10 PM
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In over 15 years of playing millions of hands of VP and knowing many others who have done the same I have not once heard of this happening. There's been a rumor that it has actually happened on the old machines.http://www.clayvision.com/dvision/slots/oldvideopokerpay.jpgQuote: DRichYes, for a story and a picture. Besides, I think there is a great chance you would get paid anyways.
Some VP "guru" added this as tip to his book or website just to make it interesting while further trying to convince everyone he's a VP guru and his stuff has value. If anyone is adding this tip to their material nowadays, you should find a better source because its a wast of time writing about.
I noticed that some guys purposely like to make the draw to see if a kicker card comes in as if had they been playing a kicker game. IE. Someone playing 9/6 who gets dealt A♥ A♦ A♠ A♣ 7♥ draws just to see if a 2,3 or 4 rolls in.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 28th, 2016 at 11:36:22 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneI tend to go higher pair on FPDW or Colorado Deuces. But sometimes pick whichever pair I'm "feeling" more. But I won't hold Aces (I will in Bonus/DB Deuces obv). But recently I didn't hold the Aces and the other two appeared. I was still pretty annoyed, so I shouldn't care.
On those supremely rare occasions that I am not playing a 4-4 4OaK/FH paytable, "Ugly Ducks," I have a tendency of always holding the lowest pair (considering Aces as the lowest pair) just so I am in the habit of doing it should I ever play Bonus DW.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
March 28th, 2016 at 11:46:52 PM
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Many people have said the same thing. It's not an issue for me to switch back and fourth I don't get mixed up on the different variants. I sometimes gravitate to holding A J - K off on on games like DDB and have to correct myself.Quote: Mission146On those supremely rare occasions that I am not playing a 4-4 4OaK/FH paytable, "Ugly Ducks," I have a tendency of always holding the lowest pair (considering Aces as the lowest pair) just so I am in the habit of doing it should I ever play Bonus DW.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 29th, 2016 at 12:13:23 AM
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How long does it take to play one million hands?Quote: AxelWolfIn over 15 years of playing millions of hands...
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March 29th, 2016 at 2:37:53 AM
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The average full time VP player probably plays 40k+ hands a week.Quote: AyecarumbaHow long does it take to play one million hands?
I would just be guessing how many hands I have played. There's been times where I have played 16 hours a day for 3 or 4 days str8 and other times I'm doing something else for a while that has nothing to do with VP. It may be slots, BJ,keno or nothing at all. I spent 8 months in a state that didn't have class 3 and I didn't touch VP. I played mostly online and live poker mixed with some BJ promotions.
I played a ton of slots over the last 2 weeks with some VP(Ran really bad on VP, good on slots, except 1 place). I probably wont be doing much for the next few days.
I'm happy if I'm playing or not.
I would much rather play AP slots over VP. It's not even close.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 29th, 2016 at 5:13:00 AM
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The worst hand I get in dueces is 222kq suited especially in a 100 play which I've gotten 2-3 time I always want to go for the dueces
On a 100 play with akqj2 suited I have gone for the natural royal depending on the promotion
On a 100 play with akqj2 suited I have gone for the natural royal depending on the promotion
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