STP BP progressive royal

I saw this game of STP BP and the game had a progressive amount if you had a royal flush on a 10X multiplier hand. A rare hand indeed.

The game had a terrible paytable of course, FH-9, FL-6, ST-4, Trips-2, 2P-2, HP-1. The other parts were normal pay table. Using the Wizard's calculator the game has a base of 94.24%.

This was a quarter game and the progressive amount for the 10X royal was almost $60,000.

How would you go about calculating affect this has on the game? What do you think the progressive amount has to be to make the game basically 100%?

Trips paid 2. Sure it wasn't Triple Double Bonus?

It's BP. At the GN. IIRC only exists on triple play.

Quote: RS

It's BP. At the GN. IIRC only exists on triple play.

Most likely labeled wrong. I've seen games labeled "Jacks or Better" only to look and see it's Bonus Poker Deluxe.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Most likely labeled wrong. I've seen games labeled "Jacks or Better" only to look and see it's Bonus Poker Deluxe.

It's not labeled wrong. I saw it with my own two eyes. It's 9/6 BP where 3-kind pays 2, not 3.

Quote: RS

It's not labeled wrong. I saw it with my own two eyes. It's 9/6 BP where 3-kind pays 2, not 3.

BP doesn't come in 9/6. 8/5 BP. Gotta get a picture.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

BP doesn't come in 9/6. 8/5 BP. Gotta get a picture.

Do I get anything if I can show a picture of it? :)

Quote: RS

Do I get anything if I can show a picture of it? :)

A pat on the back!

Quote: RS

It's not labeled wrong. I saw it with my own two eyes. It's 9/6 BP where 3-kind pays 2, not 3.

Another person on videopoker.com also confirmed this paytable at Pechanga in California. It's called "Bonus Poker" because the quads pay similar to traditional Bonus.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6534&PID=82714#82714

I saw 6/5/3 DDB with my own eyes at the GN this past Thursday on it.

Best Paytable looks to be 8/5/4 DB (94.18% before STP and progressive). I also assume the STP multipliers have been shaved down too as the IGT media sheet says the best payback is 94.43%. I forgot to read the help screen in my haste though. :(

The progressive itself adds little to the game's return though. Assuming that ( and that's an IF) the 10X multiplier probability is still 1 in 375 and the total royal probability is about 1 in 40k... going to ignore 2 or 3 non dealt 10X royals to make life easier

Extra betting units won with a 10X royal at Bar pastor: $40000/$4.50 = 8888.888

Non dealt royal probability:
1/40k -1/649700 = 1 in 42,624.11 x 3 lines = 1 in 14208.04

Extra return from non dealt royal:
8888.888/375/14208.04 =0.0016683301

Extra return from dealt royal
8888.888/375/649740 = 0.0000364818

Approximate additional return from $50k payout vs. $10k...0.17%.

Game will never get close to positive in it's current state.

With a dealt 10x royal, the RF frequency goes to about 29k hands. Not that it really matters, though. But you'd also have to subtract away the $10k you'd normally get....maybe? Idk. Not that it really matters.


Either way, the game is awful.

thank you for doing this.

I did not think it would be good because of the 4 out of 1500 hands occurrence of the 10X multiple. Even with the 29K incidence of the royal with the changed strategy (which I had generated on the wizard's site). I had looked at the wizard's sequential royal site (.23 , about every 4 million hands) and since this game was showing 14 million hands for occurrence. I had tentatively estimated it at .07 of value at 60K.

is this any royal with a 10x multiplier wins the progressive? or does it have to be a dealt royal with a 10x multiplier?

Pretty sure any royal.

But only available on triple play.



Saw it around $91K a few days ago. Had a brain fart and totally forgot to look at paytable n take a picture. :(

Quote: rsactuary

is this any royal with a 10x multiplier wins the progressive? or does it have to be a dealt royal with a 10x multiplier?

Yeah, it's any royal. Dealt Royal with 10X as the top prize would break most state laws. Odds of dealt royal with 10X in standard STP is 1 in 243.66M. Most states require the top prize to be hit more than 1 in 50M.

I did not know that fact. Thanks! Gives credence to the megabucks being an approx 50M to 1 hit.

Quote: tringlomane

Yeah, it's any royal. Dealt Royal with 10X as the top prize would break most state laws. Odds of dealt royal with 10X in standard STP is 1 in 243.66M. Most states require the top prize to be hit more than 1 in 50M.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they can have chances be worse than 1/50M but it has to be noted on the machine.

Quote: RS

If I'm not mistaken, I think they can have chances be worse than 1/50M but it has to be noted on the machine.

In Nevada, yes, it can be as bad as 1 in 100M without notice. NJ and MS it is 1 in 100M too. But IGT probably would like to spread this to many other states. Not convinced that will happen with the paytables. If they would set this at 8/5 DDB, or even 7/5 DDB, I wonder if they would do better, thanks to increased volume.

Was at the nugget recently a lot of the lower paying hands are chopped off, such as 2 pair paying 1 on job, straight paying 3 on db and DDB, etc. On top of bad pay. This machine will make a lot of money if it gets a lot of play.

Edit: already mentioned in the op. I was extremely surprised to see such a crappy pay table. Although I was thinking about a video poker WAP, as well as a higher payout on 4oaks and above with no pay on high pairs - 3oak for extreme volatility.