progressive royal expected return?

Cincinnati has video poker with the progressive royal over $6400 ($1 credits). A non progressive 7/5 JoB pay table has a 96.1% from what I can find. Can someone tell me what the expected return on this game is with the progressive counted? How should basic JoB strategy be altered to play this game? thanks!

A $4000 royal is worth 2% of the return. So, for every $4000 on the progressive, you can increase your return by 2%. Or, for every $1000 it goes up 0.5%. And every $500 increase is 0.25%.

4,000: 96.1%
4500: 96.35%
5000: 96.6%
5500: 96.85%
6000: 97.1%
6500: 97.35%

etc.

The Wizard's pay table analyzer says a $6400 royal payout on a 7/5 machine (assuming a $5 pay-in) has a 97.48% return.

I don't think there are any changes to basic strategy until the progressive gets to 11,410, at which point you discard the 9 from a King-high straight flush to go for the royal.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

The Wizard's pay table analyzer says a $6400 royal payout on a 7/5 machine (assuming a $5 pay-in) has a 97.48% return.

I don't think there are any changes to basic strategy until the progressive gets to 11,410, at which point you discard the 9 from a King-high straight flush to go for the royal.

Not true. Close to the base payout, you wouldn't keep A and T suited... only the A. But as the progressive increases, you switch to keeping the A and the T. Not sure exactly where the switch is, but it's long before 11,410

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Not true. Close to the base payout, you wouldn't keep A and T suited... only the A. But as the progressive increases, you switch to keeping the A and the T. Not sure exactly where the switch is, but it's long before 11,410

At 950:1 you discard the T with AT suited.

At 955:1 you hold the AT suited.

So, around $4,750, you make the switch.

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Cincinnati has video poker with the progressive royal over $6400 ($1 credits). A non progressive 7/5 JoB pay table has a 96.1% from what I can find. Can someone tell me what the expected return on this game is with the progressive counted? How should basic JoB strategy be altered to play this game? thanks!

You should also consider the meter movement (Its probably crappie) Occasionally you find something thats close to break even(before MM is factored in) but can justify playing it because of the meter move, that's rare nowadays.

There are lots of strategy deviations as the jackpot rises. Probably the biggest one occurs around $5,000 when you hold 3 to the royal over high pairs.

I am not sure I understand the MM question. I split my play between Cincinnati and Southern Indiana. I know I often see higher progressives at Cincinnati and rarely see the progressive at Southern Indiana gets over $4500. Southern Indiana has a better pay table with 8/5 bonus poker but likely a slower meter?

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There are lots of strategy deviations as the jackpot rises. Probably the biggest one occurs around $5,000 when you hold 3 to the royal over high pairs.

Can someone confirm this?

Quote: supermaxhd

Can someone confirm this?

He is correct depending on what game you're playing Its close so I wouldn't use this for every game.

Quote: supermaxhd

Can someone confirm this?

Three-card royals are not created equal. They all have different breakpoints for playing them over high pairs. And in a progressive game like DDB, three cards royals might play over a pair of Kings, Queens or Jacks, but not over Aces. KQJ, QJT, have the highest EV's, followed by KQT, KJT, followed by AKQ, AKJ, AQJ. The three-card royals that have both an Ace and a Ten, like AKT. AQT, AJT have the lowest EV's. Throw in a flush penalty and they are even lower yet.

But most progressive players only play when the meter is so high that it's a forgone conclusion that all three card royals play over high pairs, so you don't have to worry about all those breakpoints. Playing the 3-card royals over the high pairs has the most dramatic effect on royal odds, knocking it from about 40,000 down to about 33,000.