Dumb question - 1 vs 5 coins
Royal on 1 coin was 800, 2 coins was 1600, ... 5 coins, 4000. I realized after I'd left that I had not snapped a pic of the paytable.
Anything I need to worry about playing this game? (Yes, tribal, but I don't particularly think it's gaffed.)
Quote: DieterRecently, I encountered a curiosity - a 9/5 JoB single line game, but apparently with no royal penalty when playing less than 5 coins.
Royal on 1 coin was 800, 2 coins was 1600, ... 5 coins, 4000. I realized after I'd left that I had not snapped a pic of the paytable.
Anything I need to worry about playing this game? (Yes, tribal, but I don't particularly think it's gaffed.)
That sounds weird to me. First coin usually pays 250, and 800 refers to how many are paid for 5 coin. But I remember seeing something like this once at Chumash, Ca, an Indian Casino, but I didn't fully investigate .You sure they didn't pay 1 on 2 pair or something to offset the Royal?
Quote: FleaStiffProbably not gaffed, just nothing extra for that final coin and making a lot of money off those who never read the rules in the first place.
no, at one coin 'normal' is 250 ... 800 for one usually *represents* the bonus [4000 for 5 coins]
Quote: GreasyjohnIn your scenario, starting with 800 coins, you'd be paid 12,800 for 5 coins. You sure they didn't pay 1 on 2 pair or something to offset the Royal?
Working from my fallible memory, it was 1 2 3 4 5 9 ? ? 800 on one coin. (I don't remember the numbers for 4oK / SF; I do remember that they didn't seem way out of line from normal.)
Quote: Greasyjohn12,800
if this was actually seen, then beware that they may be showing something for 20 coins without making it clear!
Quote: DieterWorking from my fallible memory, it was 1 2 3 4 5 9 ? ? 800 on one coin. (I don't remember the numbers for 4oK / SF; I do remember that they didn't seem way out of line from normal.)
go back and double check.
it's the only way you'll get piece of mind and a restful sleep. :)
Quote: 100xOddsgo back and double check.
it's the only way you'll get piece of mind and a restful sleep. :)
Hinterlands, 3 hour drive, and... next week, when the offers make it worthwhile to hit that neck of the woods again.
Quote: odiousgambitif this was actually seen, then beware that they may be showing something for 20 coins without making it clear!Quote: Greasyjohn12,800
...16?
Quote: 100xOddsgo back and double check.
(The camera seems to have focused on the reflection... sorry about that.)
A little more looking around showed 800-for-1 coin payout on most of the deuces, BP, DB, etc games, too. SRFDDB was offering 10000-for-1 on SRF, 800-for-1 on RF.
So experts... am I missing anything by playing 1 coin instead of 5 coins?
Quote: Dieter
(The camera seems to have focused on the reflection... sorry about that.)
A little more looking around showed 800-for-1 coin payout on most of the deuces, BP, DB, etc games, too. SRFDDB was offering 10000-for-1 on SRF, 800-for-1 on RF.
So experts... am I missing anything by playing 1 coin instead of 5 coins?
Edit: I'm real curious what those that can crunch the numbers think. But my guess is that for essentially paying the Royal "bonus" for 1-5 coins, that this is not offset by the machine paying only 5 for a flush. In other words, it is still a -EV game.
Quote: Greasyjohn
I'm real curious what those that can crunch the numbers. But my guess is that for one coin, paying 800 for a royal is not offset by the machine paying only 5 for a flush. And the Royal doesn't double for each additional coin. If it did the third coin would pay 3,200. And of course, the fifth coin payout reflects a regular 9/5 Jacks game.
It's 9/5 JOB. What were you expecting the flush to pay?
Quote: sabreIt's 9/5 JOB. What were you expecting the flush to pay?
Sabre, I corrected my post which you responded to; there were errors. Royals, of course, don't double with each coin. If they did (for this game) for 1-5 coins it would look like this: 800, 1,600, 3,200, 6,400, 12,800. Would 't that be nice. (In a prior post in this thread I made the same "doubling" mistake.)
Quote: Dieter
(The camera seems to have focused on the reflection... sorry about that.)
A little more looking around showed 800-for-1 coin payout on most of the deuces, BP, DB, etc games, too. SRFDDB was offering 10000-for-1 on SRF, 800-for-1 on RF.
So experts... am I missing anything by playing 1 coin instead of 5 coins?
to me, 2 coins is your best bang for the buck
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: Dieter
(The camera seems to have focused on the reflection... sorry about that.)
A little more looking around showed 800-for-1 coin payout on most of the deuces, BP, DB, etc games, too. SRFDDB was offering 10000-for-1 on SRF, 800-for-1 on RF.
So experts... am I missing anything by playing 1 coin instead of 5 coins?
to me, 2 coins is your best bang for the buck
All coins 1-5 have the same odds. What do you mean?
Quote: GreasyjohnQuote: 100xOddsto me, 2 coins is your best bang for the buck
All coins 1-5 have the same odds. What do you mean?
Well, the other ones aren't highlighted in red... so 2 coins is obviously better. ;)
Quote: DieterWell, the other ones aren't highlighted in red... so 2 coins is obviously better. ;)
Lol
I found this set up the other day on a spin poker game. 800 for 1 royal on any credits bet. First time I really have run across it.
You're always thinking.Quote: RSIf you're playing $1, your best bet is 1 coin, since when/if you hit the royal, you won't have to file a w2g. If $0.50 denom, then 2 coins or 1 coin.
They would probably be bad for special promotions since 5 coins(usually max) is normally required for eligibility. Running FP or something they wouldn't be bad if you just wanted to get as close as possible with little variance without giving up much.
Do they require an extra button action to keep it at only 1 coin bet? Because my "muscle memory" from playing older machines I tend to max bet and draw almost simultaneously instead of just hitting draw repeatedly.
Quote: AxelWolfDo they require an extra button action to keep it at only 1 coin bet?
Max Bet is right next to Deal/Draw. Deal/Draw is easier for me to hit.
The last bet seemed to be repeated when pressing Deal/Draw.
So, uhh, no.
Quote: GreasyjohnQuote: 100xOddsQuote: Dieter
(The camera seems to have focused on the reflection... sorry about that.)
A little more looking around showed 800-for-1 coin payout on most of the deuces, BP, DB, etc games, too. SRFDDB was offering 10000-for-1 on SRF, 800-for-1 on RF.
So experts... am I missing anything by playing 1 coin instead of 5 coins?
to me, 2 coins is your best bang for the buck
All coins 1-5 have the same odds. What do you mean?
1st coin = $800 royal
2nd coin = $1600 royal -> amount doubles
3rd coin = 2400 royal -> only 50% more
etc
Quote: 100xOdds
1st coin = $800 royal
2nd coin = $1600 royal -> amount doubles
3rd coin = 2400 royal -> only 50% more
etc
Relative to the first coin, when...
Bet doubles, payout doubles.
Bet triples, payout triples.
Bet quadruples, payout quadruples.
etc.
Quote: GreasyjohnEdit: I'm real curious what those that can crunch the numbers think. But my guess is that for essentially paying the Royal "bonus" for 1-5 coins, that this is not offset by the machine paying only 5 for a flush. In other words, it is still a -EV game.
You are correct. 9/5 JOB played at 5-coin is -EV so this game played at 1 through 5 coins is no different.
