4jayman
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:17:43 PM permalink
I have a question for all of you. How come I got totally wiped out using optimal stategy on JOB?

I am well aware that its nearly impossible to find a machine that pays 100% and I had no illusions of even coming out ahead. But I did believe that if i played optimal stategy as close to perfect as possible I might end the 4 day trip to vegas with 70 to 80 % of my Video Poker budget. Not ZERO. So with my optimal stategy cheat sheet in hand I set out to find some 9/6 JOB machines and played away. Win some lose some but always a steady decline in the credits column to zero and it never took long to get to zero. I played many different machine at casinos DT and on the Strip. Not always 9/6 but at least 8/5. I estimate to have played 10 hours in total

What do all of you think was going on or I was doing wrong
sabre
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:20:53 PM permalink
You played a -EV game and your result was negative. What exactly were you hoping would happen?
4jayman
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:34:49 PM permalink
- EV game ??? Does this mean negative expectation?

Anyway as I said I expected to come out behind but not a direct RAPID path to ZERO. Shouldnt it have been more of a up and down path ending up about 20 - 25 % down. Not 100% down. Whats the point of optimal stategy if not to maximize a positive edge or Minimize a negative edge
Greasyjohn
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:40:08 PM permalink
Quote: 4jayman

I have a question for all of you. How come I got totally wiped out using optimal stategy on JOB?

I am well aware that its nearly impossible to find a machine that pays 100% and I had no illusions of even coming out ahead. But I did believe that if i played optimal stategy as close to perfect as possible I might end the 4 day trip to vegas with 70 to 80 % of my Video Poker budget. Not ZERO. So with my optimal stategy cheat sheet in hand I set out to find some 9/6 JOB machines and played away. Win some lose some but always a steady decline in the credits column to zero and it never took long to get to zero. I played many different machine at casinos DT and on the Strip. Not always 9/6 but at least 8/5. I estimate to have played 10 hours in total

What do all of you think was going on or I was doing wrong



Even playing 9/6 25 cent machines 5-coin you'll lose $66 an hour if you gon't get 4ok or SF. And if you're playing 8/5 it can go quickly. Any 4oK? What was your BR?
AxelWolf
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:45:31 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Even playing 9/6 25 cent machines 5-coin you'll lose $66 an hour if you gon't get 4ok or SF. And if you're playing 8/5 it can go quickly. Any 4oK?

Of course he hit 4 of a kinds.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ECoaster
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:49:26 PM permalink
Remember those 98+% payback numbers (even with optimal play) are calculated over the long run and a huge number of hands. In the short-term, without hitting a royal or some straight flush(es) / 4OAK(s), one can definitely play their credits down to zero pretty quick. You were apparently caught on the downslope... next time you might end up ahead in the same amount of time.
Greasyjohn
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December 9th, 2014 at 6:53:42 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Of course he hit 4 of a kinds.



But did he get one an hour? I've lost $100 an hour playing quarter 9/6 JoB.
4jayman
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December 9th, 2014 at 7:18:12 PM permalink
Thanks for the reply.

I had a $500 Bank Roll and played 25 cent 5x. No Straight Flushes or 4 of a kind that I remember. Maybe I am just still in the short run.
terapined
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December 9th, 2014 at 7:21:18 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

But did he get one an hour? I've lost $100 an hour playing quarter 9/6 JoB.


Played the quarter 9/6 Job at NYNY and probabbly dropped $200 in 2 hours.
At the Freemont once, put a 100 dollar bill in the 9/6 quarter machine. Realized it paid in quarters. Decided to try to play the 100 down to nothing and couldn't. Did well, stayed even, got tired of playing, gritted my teeth and cashed out about 400 quarters.
Kind of a feast or famine game.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
Greasyjohn
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December 9th, 2014 at 7:22:03 PM permalink
Quote: 4jayman

Thanks for the reply.

I had a $500 Bank Roll and played 25 cent 5x. No Straight Flushes or 4 of a kind that I remember. Maybe I am just still in the short run.



Well, like I said, if no SF or 4oK you'll lose $66 an hour on average. So it's not unlikely at all that you lost $500 in 10 hours, especially playing 8/5 machines. I once got 7 4oK in two hours, so good luck comes along too.

You'll get a 4oK about once every 440 hands, so to not get any in 10 hours would be very rare. (I hope you played on a card.)

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