6/5 BP

Yes, I know it's not a good game, but there are certain coupon advantages I want to exploit. What are the major differences in strategy to 8/5 BP, and is there a strategy chart somewhere that I can review?

JB beat me to it!

Quote: Greasyjohn

Yes, I know it's not a good game, but there are certain coupon advantages I want to exploit. What are the major differences in strategy to 8/5 BP, and is there a strategy chart somewhere that I can review?

better be a dam good coupon

Bonus/JoB is a pretty robust strategy among all paytables.

Making no strategy changes from 8/5 Bonus at all only costs you 0.0059%.

Following 8/5 Bonus Strategy EXCEPT

Break Aces full
Hold QJT9 over low pair

These adjustments make this strategy 0.000364% less from optimal basic strategy. Other strategy adjustments simply aren't worth learning.

Quote: AxelWolf

better be a dam good coupon

Indeed.

Quote: tringlomane

Bonus/JoB is a pretty robust strategy among all paytables.

Making no strategy changes from 8/5 Bonus at all only costs you 0.0059%.

Following 8/5 Bonus Strategy EXCEPT

Break Aces full
Hold QJT9 over low pair

These adjustments make this strategy 0.000364% less from optimal basic strategy. Other strategy adjustments simply aren't worth learning.



Indeed.

Thanks, Tringlomane. Break aces full. What a surprise. Thanks for replies by others as well.

I'm getting $20 in free VP. That's why I'm playing the 6/5 BP (it's the best game they offer). If I give them no action I don't get the free play. So what I've decided to do is to put about $50 through their machine (including the free play). If I only play off the free play I think the free VP coupons will dry up. And marketing isn't going to tell me what min $ amount will keep the coupons coming. Sound good?

Quote: Greasyjohn

I'm getting $20 in free VP. That's why I'm playing the 6/5 BP (it's the best game they offer). If I give them no action I don't get the free play. So what I've decided to do is to put about $50 through their machine (including the free play). If I only play off the free play I think the free VP coupons will dry up. And marketing isn't going to tell me what min $ amount will keep the coupons coming. Sound good?

So you're going to play 32 hands on .25 machine? Why do you think that's enough to keep it coming? percentage wize that would be fantastic. Not sure how much you originally had to play to get the offerings in the first place.

EDIT :I thought you were going to just run double the FP and missed the $50

Quote: Greasyjohn

Break aces full. What a surprise

and it should be. It's rare someone would be forced to play that bad of a game.

Quote: Greasyjohn

I'm getting $20 in free VP. That's why I'm playing the 6/5 BP (it's the best game they offer). If I give them no action I don't get the free play. So what I've decided to do is to put about $50 through their machine (including the free play). If I only play off the free play I think the free VP coupons will dry up. And marketing isn't going to tell me what min $ amount will keep the coupons coming. Sound good?

Do you think they will typically give you upwards of 4% bounceback in the future? I would be assuming the $20 freeplay is just a one time thing...and it's doubtful that $50-coin in total will keep them coming. Hard to say though obviously.

Quote: tringlomane

Do you think they will typically give you upwards of 4% bounceback in the future? I would be assuming the $20 freeplay is just a one time thing...and it's doubtful that $50-coin in total will keep them coming. Hard to say though obviously.

Agreed.

Every casino has its own system, so it's difficult to say what one does vs. what another one does. I don't know what the exact formula was, but I know that at Scioto Downs, for quite a long time, six months, or so, the Free Play was out of this world compared to the expected loss and it just kept going up until one month when I got no offers whatsoever. I don't know if it was a glitch in the system, or what happened, but assuming even a 15% hold, a player would be at a huge advantage just to go in and run through $500-$1000 in bets and wait for the Free Play offers to come in. The dates were also situated such that you could, "Double-Up," on Free Play to take less trips if you didn't mind going in the middle of the night, which I didn't.

I think my Free Play offers peaked at $150/cycle ($600/month) and I never did anything but collect my Free Play and run $500-$1000 through every time, and I didn't even necessarily do that EVERY time.

There's another casino where I happen to know the exact (and simple) calculation they use, so I'm not going to identify it by name, but the calculation is simply 20% of ADT - Daily Free Play used = Free Play. This location also uses 10% as the theoretical loss based on coin-in, and it does not differentiate Video Poker from slots, so you can get decent offers if you play Video Poker, but they'll drop your offers at the drop of a hat if your play slips, because it all strictly goes by the formula.

So, if you have 5K coin-in over two visits and use $25 Free Play each visit, your ADT would be 2500 * .10 = 250 * .2 = $50 - $25 = $25 Free Play/Cycle

Finally, I know that one place based your Free Play off of coin-in from two months prior and it did not differentiate slots from VP. It was a tier-based system, I believe (not based on card status, but coin-in tiers) where I would routinely have six cycles of $15 Free Play per month. I know that 2K-5K coin in would result in that offer and the only offers I ever had higher were for six cycles of $22 based off of SUBSTANTIALLY more coin-in that was not nearly worth it. However, you could play 9/5 Jacks or a similar percentage game of Joker Poker at a slight advantage based off of the 2K coin-in per month with an expected loss of about $31 before getting $90 Free Play and $4 comp dollars (convertible into Free Play) as well as buffet offers and two hotel nights.

Yeah, but $50 coin-in with $20 Free Play offers having already used $20 Free Play is definitely unlikely to continue very long.

Re: Scioto Downs

That definitely could have been a foul up. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

And, hopefully, not the last!

Quote: tringlomane

Bonus/JoB is a pretty robust strategy among all paytables.

Making no strategy changes from 8/5 Bonus at all only costs you 0.0059%.

Following 8/5 Bonus Strategy EXCEPT

Break Aces full
Hold QJT9 over low pair

These adjustments make this strategy 0.000364% less from optimal basic strategy. Other strategy adjustments simply aren't worth learning.



Indeed.

So Tringlomane, you won't believe it. I was just at the casino playing my 6/5 game, and about 10 minutes in what am I dealt? Aces full of sixes. I can't believe it! So, of course it only pays 6, and three aces pays 3. So I dump the sixes. Didn't hit an ace or pair up, but I'd make the same decision every time. I only played about 15 minutes. Got two quads! On the second one, my last play, I held a queen and a jack. What is my draw? Three more jacks! $50 profit overall. Thanks again for the two exceptions to 8/5 strategy.

You're welcome! And that is funny that you ran across that hand that quickly. I've run into it a few times myself when cheaply playing 6/5 bonus. Haven't converted it yet though.

Hopefully they'll keep giving you freeplay!

Quote: tringlomane

You're welcome! And that is funny that you ran across that hand that quickly. I've run into it a few times myself when cheaply playing 6/5 bonus. Haven't converted it yet though.

Hopefully they'll keep giving you freeplay!

Great you cost him three fidy. Doubtfully he will ever make up for that in value ;)

Quote: AxelWolf

Great you cost him three fidy. Doubtfully he will ever make up for that in value ;)

No, he cost me three sebendyfi. Could anyone tell me the EV for holding 3 aces?

Quote: Greasyjohn

No, he cost me three sebendyfi. Could anyone tell me the EV for holding 3 aces?

It's 6.462535 betting units to break aces full. For quarters that's $8.08 vs. $7.50 for holding the full house.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/

Quote: AxelWolf

Great you cost him three fidy. Doubtfully he will ever make up for that in value ;)

LOL

Quote: tringlomane

It's 6.462535 betting units to break aces full. For quarters that's $8.08 vs. $7.50 for holding the full house.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/



LOL

Thanks for the EV info. As I recall on 25 cent full pay deuces wild you get 7 cents more breaking up 3 deuces and a pair of 9s or less. A very close call.

Quote: Greasyjohn

Quote: tringlomane

It's 6.462535 betting units to break aces full. For quarters that's $8.08 vs. $7.50 for holding the full house.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/



LOL

Thanks for the EV info. As I recall on 25 cent full pay deuces wild you get 7 cents more breaking up 3 deuces and a pair of 9s or less. A very close call.

Back when they had $1 and even $5 denominations you would consider not breaking the 9's or lower dealt 5oak to avoid a handpay and tipping.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Greasyjohn

Quote: tringlomane

It's 6.462535 betting units to break aces full. For quarters that's $8.08 vs. $7.50 for holding the full house.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/



LOL

Thanks for the EV info. As I recall on 25 cent full pay deuces wild you get 7 cents more breaking up 3 deuces and a pair of 9s or less. A very close call.

Back when they had $1 and even $5 denominations you would consider not breaking the 9's or lower dealt 5oak to avoid a handpay and tipping.

Good point.