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Quote: HotBlondeWhat about 9/7? Is that better?
On Jacks or Better? I've never seen it. There may be a 9/7 Doubel Bonus or Double Double Bonus, or some other liek that. I'm unsure about those pay tables, except Double Bonus where what you want is 10/7 for full pay.
Quote: HotBlondeNow I understand what to look for. But the only machine I found that was Jacks or Better with 9/6 payout was a $5 machine. So max bet is $25 per hand. It's funny cause I can play $25/hand at blackjack but I'm kinda scurred to do that with VP.
VP tends to move faster than table games, though the exact speed is up to the player. I typically begin slow, having to refer to the printed strategy often. then I speed up in the following days as I memorize the strategy.
Quote: HotBlondeNow I understand what to look for. But the only machine I found that was Jacks or Better with 9/6 payout was a $5 machine. So max bet is $25 per hand. It's funny cause I can play $25/hand at blackjack but I'm kinda scurred to do that with VP.
There are several places that have $0.25 9/6 JoB, but they are most often off the strip. If VPFree2 is correct, it looks like you may be able to find $0.25 games at New York New York, and $0.50 at Treasure Island. There are quite a few $1 9/6 JoB on the strip. But if you go downtown, there are many opportunities for 9/6, my personal favorite is at the Boar's Head bar at Main Street Station.
You are justified to be scared to play $25 hand at VP compared to BJ, the variance is greater and the game moves faster, so you end up gambling much more per hour than you do at BJ. If you played $0.50 VP (so $2.50 per hand) and you can play 10 hands in the same time it takes to complete 1 hand of BJ, you are putting the same amount in action even though the $2.50 VP play appears to be much less.
Quote: MidwestAPIf VPFree2 is correct, it looks like you may be able to find $0.25 games at New York New York, and $0.50 at Treasure Island. There are quite a few $1 9/6 JoB on the strip. But if you go downtown, there are many opportunities for 9/6, my personal favorite is at the Boar's Head bar at Main Street Station.
I've played the 25 cent JOB 9/6 at NYNY.
Machines near hotel checkin with a big sign on machines advertisiong 99.54.
Machine does not have a players card slot so no player card points.
Also play the 9/6 at the downtown Freemont, beware, those 3 machines pays in quarters, not a ticket.
Noticed my last trip 4 Queens cutting back on 9/6 job. They used to have some by the sports book but those have been changed.
They still have 9/6 JOB by the cashier cage.
I would avoid anything with a 7 on a flush, the strategy becomes difficult. Very few know it perfectly.Quote: HotBlondeWhat about 9/7? Is that better?
Quote: HotBlondeNow I understand what to look for. But the only machine I found that was Jacks or Better with 9/6 payout was a $5 machine. So max bet is $25 per hand. It's funny cause I can play $25/hand at blackjack but I'm kinda scurred to do that with VP.
There is $1 VP ($5/hand) on the strip. I assume that you are talking about Vegas? I can give you specific locations if you are looking.
You should definitely play less per hand at VP than at Blackjack. If you aren't interested in the math, then just trust me. If you are:
1. Blackjack is a game with extremely low variance (not much above 1) and very little skew. Your possible results are more or less normally distributed after very few hands. That is not to say that you can't get extremely lucky or extremely unlucky, but most of the time you will be relatively close to your expectation. If you play for an hour or two, most of the time you will be within $300 or so of even (ballpark estimate)
2. Video poker is a game with HUGE skew. This is because a lot of the payoff is in very high payouts. This means that if you don't hit one of those high payoffs, you will usually be down a lot. This is less true in JoB than in other games, but it's still true in JoB. If you play at the $5 denom ($25/hand) you will often have hours where you are up or down thousands. You can very, very easily blow through $10k in a night at $5 VP (trust me, I've done it on more than one occasion). Remember that a royal pays $20k, so, on average, you will be down more than $20k between royals. It is essentially impossible to lose that much that fast at $25 blackjack.
To summarize: In blackjack, most of the time you are about even. In video poker, most of the time you are down, and once in a while you are up really big.
Quote: AxelWolfI would avoid anything with a 7 on a flush, the strategy becomes difficult. Very few know it perfectly.
I agree. The two most popular games that do this, Double Bonus and Triple Double Bonus are definitely games to stay away from as a newer player I think.
Do you know 10/7 perfectly? At one time I did but, since I play it so rarely, I doubt I could play it without looking over some hands. I will admit 10/7 can be a lot more fun than JOB but, if you are new to VP then JOB should be fun enough.Quote: tringlomaneI agree. The two most popular games that do this, Double Bonus and Triple Double Bonus are definitely games to stay away from as a newer player I think.
Winning streak Video poker can be real fun.
Quote: AxelWolfDo you know 10/7 perfectly? At one time I did but, since I play it so rarely, I doubt I could play it without looking over some hands. I will admit 10/7 can be a lot more fun than JOB but, if you are new to VP then JOB should be fun enough.
Winning streak Video poker can be real fun.
Oh no, 10/7 doesn't exist here, so no big point at the moment.
Don't get me started on winning streak poker.
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Strategy is not very straightforward and the paytables generally suck. I think CET has yanked most of those games now.
I would recommend Ultimate X or STP for "gimmicks".
Quote: AxelWolfI would avoid anything with a 7 on a flush, the strategy becomes difficult. Very few know it perfectly.
I like to play 10/7 Double Bonus. Proper strategy is to throw away a lot miniscule chances at the royal to try to hit a flush due to the high payout.
If you have 3 to a flush with 2 high cards and no pair, most times proper strategy is to try for the flush and forget the royal. QJ suited is the exception.
This strategy frustrates me a lot, hate throwing away a chance at a royal but gotta use proper strategy looking at the big picture, 100.17 pay back in theory.
There are a ton of penalty card changes and 3 card flush holds.Quote: terapinedI like to play 10/7 Double Bonus. Proper strategy is to throw away a lot miniscule chances at the royal to try to hit a flush due to the high payout.
If you have 3 to a flush with 2 high cards and no pair, most times proper strategy is to try for the flush and forget the royal. QJ suited is the exception.
This strategy frustrates me a lot, hate throwing away a chance at a royal but gotta use proper strategy looking at the big picture, 100.17 pay back in theory.
In the Wizard's section about Three Card Poker he says:
"Overall on the ante the probability of a win is 44.91%, push 0.06%, and loss 55.03%."
So, if I want to calculate house edge do I take 55.03 and subtract 44.91 from it? I thought that would be the case, but if so it comes out to 10.12% which seems really high.
Quote: HotBlondeSo I have a question about calculating house edge.
In the Wizard's section about Three Card Poker he says:
"Overall on the ante the probability of a win is 44.91%, push 0.06%, and loss 55.03%."
So, if I want to calculate house edge do I take 55.03 and subtract 44.91 from it? I thought that would be the case, but if so it comes out to 10.12% which seems really high.
See the table titled "Ante Return Table" on the Wizard's Three Card Poker page. The return of the game is calculated by adding the returns for all the possible outcomes from winning 7 bets to losing 2 bets. Each return is the product of the win or loss and its probability. In other words, if the only possible results were a win of 1, a push, or a loss of 1, then the edge would be the probability of a loss minus the probability of a win, but Three Card poker has many possible outcomes.
i don't think I understand. I just want to know what the house edge is when I sit down and place an ante bet. I don't remember it being that complicated. I swear I saw a number listed somewhere on his old site. Can someone just give me a number?Quote: ChesterDogSee the table titled "Ante Return Table" on the Wizard's Three Card Poker page. The return of the game is calculated by adding the returns for all the possible outcomes from winning 7 bets to losing 2 bets. Each return is the product of the win or loss and its probability. In other words, if the only possible results were a win of 1, a push, or a loss of 1, then the edge would be the probability of a loss minus the probability of a win, but Three Card poker has many possible outcomes.
Quote: HotBlonde...I swear I saw a number listed somewhere on his old site. Can someone just give me a number?
Yes; the house edge for Three Card Poker is 3.37%.
(3.37% is the house edge when the ante pay table is 5:1 for a straight flush, 4:1 for a three-of-a-kind, and 1:1 for a straight.)
Haha, not to push it (no pun intended) but what about the house edge on pair plus and 6-card bonus bets as well?Quote: ChesterDogYes; the house edge for Three Card Poker is 3.37%.
(3.37% is the house edge when the ante pay table is 5:1 for a straight flush, 4:1 for a three-of-a-kind, and 1:1 for a straight.)
Pairplus: 7.28% (40:1 straight flush, 30:1 three of a kind, 6:1 straight, 3:1 flush, 1:1 pair)
6 Card Bonus (Caesar's Millionaire Maker): 18.10% (for $5 bet; 200,000:1 6-card Super Royal - diamonds; 20,000:1 6-card Super Royal; 1,000:1 5-card royal flush; 200:1 5-card straight flush; 50:1 four of a kind; 20:1 full house; 15:1 5-card flush; 10:1 5-card straight; 5:1 three of a kind)
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll you need to know about those bets it's this and I'll say it loud and clear....
DON'T PLAY THEM!!!!
One of Nareed's Laws, I'm too tired to look them up, states "Sucker bets were not devised by suckers."
That said, if you're not going to play the bonus bets, and I agree they shouldn't be played, be aware you may get a lot of heat from the players and the dealer. Thankfully I'm done with the itch to play 3CP. After a few sessions it gets horribly boring. There's just one decision to make: Q-6-4 or higher raise, otherwise fold.
Quote: ChesterDogThe Wizard's Three Card Poker page lists these house edges, which depend on the pay tables. Here are just two of them:
Pairplus: 7.28% (40:1 straight flush, 30:1 three of a kind, 6:1 straight, 3:1 flush, 1:1 pair)
6 Card Bonus (Caesar's Millionaire Maker): 18.10% (for $5 bet; 200,000:1 6-card Super Royal - diamonds; 20,000:1 6-card Super Royal; 1,000:1 5-card royal flush; 200:1 5-card straight flush; 50:1 four of a kind; 20:1 full house; 15:1 5-card flush; 10:1 5-card straight; 5:1 three of a kind)
So basically:
Ante: 3.37%
Pair Plus: 7.28%
6 Card Bonus: 18.10%
Awesome, thanks!
Quote: HotBlonde
So basically:
Ante: 3.37%
Pair Plus: 7.28%
6 Card Bonus: 18.10%
I'm on my way to Vegas for the weekend!
I was looking at my above post and that seems high, no? $18.10 for every $100 wagered on the 6-card bonus??
but it's so much fun when you win big.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThat's why they call it a sucker bet
Plus, even the house edge on the ante seems a little high.
Quote: HotBlondebut it's so much fun when you win big.
Plus, even the house edge on the ante seems a little high.
Well yeah.
It's a very high edge. Whether or not you want to play it is up to you. If you are going to play for a couple of hours and bet $5 at a time for 100 hands, that is $500 bet. Personally I think that you are better off taking a couple of spins at a $100 denom slot machine if you want a chance to win big.
I just lost $2,929.35 :'(
I broke the bank earlier and now I'm just sitting in the Bellagio Buffet killing time before I catch my bus back home. I wanted to play $25 Midi-Baccarat at the Golden Nugget before I left but I have no choice but to scratch that. Maybe I'll go ziplining before I head home.
Quote: HotBlondeBoy, this is the biggest loss on any trip I've ever had.
I just lost $2,929.35 :'(
I broke the bank earlier and now I'm just sitting in the Bellagio Buffet killing time before I catch my bus back home. I wanted to play $25 Midi-Baccarat at the Golden Nugget before I left but I have no choice but to scratch that. Maybe I'll go ziplining before I head home.
Sorry to hear that. Welcome to video poker. You lose a lot between royals.
Where did the 35c come from? Were you playing nickels or something?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSorry to hear that. Welcome to video poker. You lose a lot between royals.
Where did the 35c come from? Were you playing nickels or something?
I actually didn't play VP his trip cause I couldn't find a machine with a decent pay table on it. The coins probably came from the slot machine I played.
Quote: HotBlondeI actually didn't play VP his trip cause I couldn't find a machine with a decent pay table on it.
Oh, sorry to hear the bad news about your losses.
About VP, all the good machines at lower coin-in are either Downtown, at the Palms or at locals' joints like Suncoast, Stations, etc.
Quote: HotBlondeI actually didn't play VP his trip cause I couldn't find a machine with a decent pay table on it. The coins probably came from the slot machine I played.
Oh, yeah.
For future trips, if you want to play video poker, vfree2.com is a good site to see which casinos have which games with which paytables. 9/6 JoB can be particularly hard to find, especially on the strip at lower denoms. I don't know what denom you want to play (remember that a single hand is 5 x denom). $5 9/6 JoB is fairly easy to find. $1 is harder but it is out there. Quarters is harder still (though it exists)
You can find better games at lower denom downtown, but then you have to go downtown, which kind of sucks if you are trying to have a nice vacation in a nice place.
Quote: HotBlondeI saw the Wynn had a $5 machine with 9/6 JoB. But I was center strip.
$5 9/6 JoB is easy to find on the strip. You will find it in more casinos than not (probably in the high limit slot room).
That is fairly high denom, though. If a loss in the $2k range is a lot for you, I would not play $5 denom. $5 denom is $25/hand, and a $5 royal is $20k. That means that, on average, you lose more than $20k between royals. If you are not willing to lose $10k+ in a weekend, do not play $5 video poker.
If I were you, I would stick to $1 at the very most. Probably, 50c or quarters would be better. You just can't play video poker at the same stakes that you play table games.
From a quick look at vpfree2, you can find 9/6 JoB on the strip at:
25c and up: Cosmo, NYNY
50c and up: Treasure Island
$1 and up: Luxor, Excalibur and MGM Grand
$2 and up: Bellagio
$5 and up: Just about anywhere else
