Where to go after J.O.B.?
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June 2nd, 2014 at 5:58:10 PM
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I learned to play Jacks or Better with pretty solid strategy using online trainers and guides. Now (I think) I'm interested in getting recommendations on a good video poker game to learn next.
What are the most common (single-line / single-hand only) games out there, and how do they compare to JOB?
I'd be looking for something that can be found with a decent paytable at all denominations (9/6 JOB actually CAN still be found in the low $.25 and $.50 denoms in Atlantic City where I play most), and one that somehow complements JOB well.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks.
What are the most common (single-line / single-hand only) games out there, and how do they compare to JOB?
I'd be looking for something that can be found with a decent paytable at all denominations (9/6 JOB actually CAN still be found in the low $.25 and $.50 denoms in Atlantic City where I play most), and one that somehow complements JOB well.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks.
June 2nd, 2014 at 6:06:25 PM
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I don't know what is available in AC but I like bonus poker or double double bonus.
In bonus poker you still get 2 for the 2 pair but you get paid extra for 4 2s, 3s, 4s, and Aces.
In DDB you get paid high amounts for 4 2s, 3s, 4s, and Aces and there is a higher payout if those are accompanied by another one of those numbers. For example 2222K would pay differently than 2222A.
The play is similar to JOB but there are some changes.
In bonus poker you still get 2 for the 2 pair but you get paid extra for 4 2s, 3s, 4s, and Aces.
In DDB you get paid high amounts for 4 2s, 3s, 4s, and Aces and there is a higher payout if those are accompanied by another one of those numbers. For example 2222K would pay differently than 2222A.
The play is similar to JOB but there are some changes.
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June 2nd, 2014 at 6:07:10 PM
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Bonus Poker, I think, is the most related to JOB.
June 2nd, 2014 at 6:11:02 PM
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Quote: ECoasterI learned to play Jacks or Better with pretty solid strategy using online trainers and guides. Now (I think) I'm interested in getting recommendations on a good video poker game to learn next.
What are the most common (single-line / single-hand only) games out there, and how do they compare to JOB?
I'd be looking for something that can be found with a decent paytable at all denominations (9/6 JOB actually CAN still be found in the low $.25 and $.50 denoms in Atlantic City where I play most), and one that somehow complements JOB well.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks.
What are you looking for? Do you want to play for fun, or are you looking for advantage plays? JoB is the most boring game imaginable, but 99.54% makes it pretty solid for a lot of plays,
DDB is my favorite game, but at 9/6 you're losing about 2.5x as much as you are with JoB so that makes it a non-starter for me, most of the time.
If you have 10-play UX 9/6 DDB available to you, that is a crazy game (big swings) and the Wizard has a "simple" strategy that will return 99.8%.
9/7 TDB is a crazy game for swings, and has about the same return as JoB (0.04% higher). This game is not for everyone though. I consider myself pretty emotionless when I gamble, but throwing away those dealt full houses hurts. Holding the kickers IS exciting, though. You get so many more 1-card draws to top line pays (AAAA + kicker pays the same as a royal -- no more waiting around for 4-to-a-royal for the suspenseful draws)
If you are not looking for big swings, stick to 9/6 JoB.
June 2nd, 2014 at 6:30:51 PM
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat are you looking for? Do you want to play for fun, or are you looking for advantage plays? JoB is the most boring game imaginable, but 99.54% makes it pretty solid for a lot of plays,
I guess this is the key point... I'd like to find something a little "less boring" than JOB.
If it was a much poorer game loss-wise theoretically from what I'm used to, that might not be so good-- though I do wonder how much I would really notice 1-2% over the relatively short amount of times I play.
June 2nd, 2014 at 6:33:26 PM
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Quote: RSBonus Poker, I think, is the most related to JOB.
Yeah, Bonus Poker is nearly identical to JoB in terms of strategy.
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If you are not looking for big swings, stick to 9/6 JoB.
It's a tough game to find, but 35/8/5 Bonus Poker (99.66%) is a similar swing game and pays 0.12% better. Unfortunately there aren't many low variance games that pay as well as 9/6 JoB. I think in AC most places are either 9/6 JoB (99.54%) or standard 8/5 Bonus (99.17%), which I would suggest sticking to 9/6 JoB still. I don't think anywhere in AC has "Not So Ugly Ducks".
Looking at VPFree2, Borgata has 9/5 Super Double Bonus (99.69%) and Harrah's/Bally's has 9/6 Double Double Aces and Faces (99.44%). These would be decent choices if he is looking for "more excitement" than JoB. The best game looks to be Double Joker with a Prog. Double Royal at Caesars for quarters (99.91% at reset) but the strategy and swing would be quite rough.
June 3rd, 2014 at 11:42:12 AM
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Do they still have the Joker progressives with 5 of a Kind being the top pay in Atlantic City? Years ago it was huge.
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June 3rd, 2014 at 11:51:28 AM
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A quick check of VPfree2 shows you're pretty much out of choices.
June 3rd, 2014 at 12:08:07 PM
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Quote: mickeycrimmDo they still have the Joker progressives with 5 of a Kind being the top pay in Atlantic City? Years ago it was huge.
According to this thread, they existed last year at Showboat. No idea about the rest of the paytable or meter rate.
http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5433
But games where quints pay out a royal (or more) are the devil.
And OP, the Double Double Aces and Faces (99.46%) I mentioned, earns one-fifth of the comps as other games at Bally's/Harrah's. Annoying Caesars' properties.
June 3rd, 2014 at 1:00:38 PM
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Look for Quick Quads and play that on the JOB setting. That is a blast of an add-on. Sorry, I don't know what paytable to recommend.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
June 3rd, 2014 at 1:03:08 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsLook for Quick Quads and play that on the JOB setting. That is a blast of an add-on. Sorry, I don't know what paytable to recommend.
It's all about QQ Wheel Poker. All the fun of quick quads, plus you get to spin a wheel.
June 3rd, 2014 at 2:01:26 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsLook for Quick Quads and play that on the JOB setting. That is a blast of an add-on. Sorry, I don't know what paytable to recommend.
Full-pay is 9/6 JoB. I don't think any full pay exists in AC. Quick quads is sorta a dying game, unfortunately. Super Times Pay and Ultimate X are the biggest "gimmick game" hits. I don't think AC has any full pay of those games either. :(
But with one picture at the top of page 2 of this thread: http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6152&PN=1
It looks like they have 7/5 Bonus w/QQ for nickels (98.29%). Likely the best game you'll find there.
June 3rd, 2014 at 9:01:31 PM
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For AC, I would recommend the Full pay 99.69% Super Double Bonus (4 of these machines at the Borgata, per VPFree2).
Multi denomin 25c, 50c, $1.
(assuming 5 units per play) Pays 800 for 4 Aces, 600 for 4 Jack/Queen/Kings, and 400 for quad 2/3/4s. Pays 250 for any other four of a kind.
Also pays an elevated 400 for the straight flush.
If you like DDB, I think this is an even better play.
Multi denomin 25c, 50c, $1.
(assuming 5 units per play) Pays 800 for 4 Aces, 600 for 4 Jack/Queen/Kings, and 400 for quad 2/3/4s. Pays 250 for any other four of a kind.
Also pays an elevated 400 for the straight flush.
If you like DDB, I think this is an even better play.
June 4th, 2014 at 1:11:44 AM
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Try some 10/6 db db
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
June 4th, 2014 at 2:46:41 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsLook for Quick Quads and play that on the JOB setting. That is a blast of an add-on. Sorry, I don't know what paytable to recommend.
Recently familiarized with some of this. WoO has that, you just play at the best you can find, but watch the denomination too. 9/6 is sought out, which means the pay at Full house and Flush, resp.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/jacks-or-better/
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:08:44 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitRecently familiarized with some of this. WoO has that, you just play at the best you can find, but watch the denomination too. 9/6 is sought out, which means the pay at Full house and Flush, resp.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/jacks-or-better/
You can't always assume that is "full pay" for all gimmick games, but it is for a lot of them. It is for "Quick Quads", but 8/6 is "full pay" for Ultimate X, and 8/5 is full pay for single hand "Ultimate Four of a Kind Bonus". In these two games, the bonuses are worth significantly more than its cost, and 9/6 would push both games above 100%, which the casinos hate now.
June 4th, 2014 at 9:19:48 AM
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Quote: tringlomaneYou can't always assume that is "full pay"
no, sorry, I mean for JoB, didn't mean to say all video games
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
June 4th, 2014 at 10:26:59 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitno, sorry, I mean for JoB, didn't mean to say all video games
I didn't include the words Jacks or Better in my post either, so I was likely unclear in my response as well. Babs was unsure what "full pay" Jacks or Better with Quick Quads was. Full pay on Jacks or better Quick Quads is still 9/6, but the return of the game increases from 99.54% to 99.61%. But 9/6 Jacks or Better on Ultimate X for example would be over 100.5% return, so the best you'll ever find in the casino is 8/6 Jacks or Better. Considering how people generally play Ultimate X though, I feel like they should offer 9/6 JoB on the game. :(
June 4th, 2014 at 1:03:03 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneYou can't always assume that is "full pay" for all gimmick games, but it is for a lot of them. It is for "Quick Quads", but 8/6 is "full pay" for Ultimate X, and 8/5 is full pay for single hand "Ultimate Four of a Kind Bonus". In these two games, the bonuses are worth significantly more than its cost, and 9/6 would push both games above 100%, which the casinos hate now.
Ultimate four of a kind bonus. Where do I get a strategy for that? That's the game where you pay a 6th coin per line and the 4oak pays better yes?
June 4th, 2014 at 1:45:02 PM
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Quote: RSUltimate four of a kind bonus. Where do I get a strategy for that? That's the game where you pay a 6th coin per line and the 4oak pays better yes?
Basically. The extra credit yields a card pick bonus game that gives credits for picks and picks are given by making quads. You have to add in the average values of the bonus when making quads on the draw to get the strategy. Also note the paybacks are for the single line game only. Multi line is weaker payback.
Here is the 7/5 Bonus strategy (99.96%) which is available at Horseshoe Hammond in Indiana for dollars at $10 a point. Also has 6/5 bonus (99.09%) for quarters.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-37-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-7-d-86.87-d-161.94-d-260.22-d-50-d-800/
June 4th, 2014 at 3:29:07 PM
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What do you give up in EV by playing 99.17 BP using a full pay JOB strategy?
I apologize if this departs to far from the thread topic, but I have wanted to ask this question, but it hardly seem worthy of it's own thread.
I apologize if this departs to far from the thread topic, but I have wanted to ask this question, but it hardly seem worthy of it's own thread.
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:01:33 PM
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Quote: JimRockfordWhat do you give up in EV by playing 99.17 BP using a full pay JOB strategy?
I apologize if this departs to far from the thread topic, but I have wanted to ask this question, but it hardly seem worthy of it's own thread.
Of all the games, one of the least. It's below 0.01% I think.
June 4th, 2014 at 5:52:19 PM
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Wow... lot's of info here (and mention of some games I haven't even heard of!) I'll have to do some research and see if I can find some more online versions / trainers to check out.
June 4th, 2014 at 9:49:34 PM
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I've been playing VP as my main game in Vegas for less than 2 yrs now, and have graduated to playing DB mostly after starting with only JOB and BP.
Pros:
100.17% full-pay (yet rare to find)
good payout for quads, FHs, flushes, straights
lower variance than DDB, TDB, etc.
Cons:
fewer RFs if playing perfect strategy
only 5 coin return for two pair
harder to master/learn
I do still play JOB and BP to mix it up but it's a real downer to hit quad aces on JOB where the return is a measly 125 coins. I don't even consider playing DDB because of the <99% return and higher variance.
Pros:
100.17% full-pay (yet rare to find)
good payout for quads, FHs, flushes, straights
lower variance than DDB, TDB, etc.
Cons:
fewer RFs if playing perfect strategy
only 5 coin return for two pair
harder to master/learn
I do still play JOB and BP to mix it up but it's a real downer to hit quad aces on JOB where the return is a measly 125 coins. I don't even consider playing DDB because of the <99% return and higher variance.
June 5th, 2014 at 7:43:34 AM
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Quote: BigShot55100.17% full-pay (yet rare to find)
Second floor of the D for quarters
Right under Magnolia's at 4Q for quarters with a progressive. Near the fast food area at 4Q for dollars with a progressive
Just past and then to the left of the craps tables at the Cal for fifty cents, with a bonus 1,000 coins for a royal in hearts.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
June 5th, 2014 at 7:54:45 AM
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Quote: BigShot55
100.17% full-pay (yet rare to find)
And unfortunately impossible to find in AC and anywhere else outside of Nevada. That's why 9/5 Super DDB (99.69%) at Borgata was suggested.
June 6th, 2014 at 6:05:04 AM
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If you playing VP for comps (room offers, etc.) be aware that comps for 100+% games are usually close to zero.
June 6th, 2014 at 7:17:28 AM
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I think I could find one in AC. It would have to be worth my time, perhaps a large side bet. Then again It would not be worth giving up the information.Quote: tringlomaneAnd unfortunately impossible to find in AC and anywhere else outside of Nevada. That's why 9/5 Super DDB (99.69%) at Borgata was suggested.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
