21forme
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April 27th, 2014 at 3:50:33 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

but these are 1 time shots so I think it is best to take a 300% edge for $3.75 than it is taking a 400% edge for $0.25. The edge may be higher on 1 hand for 1 coin but the overall return is higher playing all hands for 5 coins. But I guess you already know that.


I agree.
AxelWolf
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April 27th, 2014 at 7:16:09 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Oddly, your edge is larger playing just the first hand with a multiplier on a three play machine with one credit than it is playing all three with five credits.

quit trying to confuse newbs u might confuse yourself in the process.

Don't play less then 5 coins juat don't do it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Greasyjohn
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April 27th, 2014 at 8:26:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

quit trying to confuse newbs u might confuse yourself in the process.

Don't play less then 5 coins juat don't do it.



Thanks everyone for your responses. May I ask, if you play five coins, since there are next hand multipliers, then you must play all hands for five coins? And if this is basically all I need to know I'm good with that. I'm guessing that with a 12 x multiplier you would want to play 10 coin? You may get next hand multipliers and you're exploiting the 12 x multipliers ( even though you are playing other hands without multipliers at a negative expectation?
tringlomane
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April 27th, 2014 at 8:31:38 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Thanks everyone for your responses. May I ask, if you play five coins, since there are next hand multipliers, then you must play all hands for five coins? And if this is basically all I need to know I'm good with that. I'm guessing that with a 12 x multiplier you would want to play 10 coin? You may get next hand multipliers and you're exploiting the 12 x multipliers ( even though you are playing other hands without multipliers at a negative expectation?



No, still play five. What's the reasoning behind generating multipliers for the next hand?
FinsRule
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April 27th, 2014 at 8:52:47 PM permalink
Someone wrote that it was a red flag to play one hand and leave. Can someone elaborate? Just don't use your card, right?
Greasyjohn
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April 27th, 2014 at 9:01:55 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

No, still play five. What's the reasoning behind generating multipliers for the next hand?



Okay. I can just play 5. The reasoning, probably incorrect, in playing 10 is the double payout on the multiplier ( or 12 times!, and you are eligible for future multipliers. I would assume that if you got next hand multipliers that's good ( otherwise why would someone vulture them).
Greasyjohn
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April 27th, 2014 at 9:05:08 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

No, still play five. What's the reasoning behind generating multipliers for the next hand?



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Swanson234
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April 27th, 2014 at 10:03:01 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Someone wrote that it was a red flag to play one hand and leave. Can someone elaborate? Just don't use your card, right?



Of all the AP plays that generate heat, ultimate X vulturing should be the least of your worries. Casinos do not give a flying rat's ass about players Ultimate X vulturing. I ve done it openly in front of casino personnel and they always seemed completely disinterested. It's not cheating/thievery and it doesn't take money away from their coffers.
tringlomane
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April 27th, 2014 at 10:19:25 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Okay. I can just play 5. The reasoning, probably incorrect, in playing 10 is the double payout on the multiplier ( or 22 times!, and you are eligible for future multipliers. I would assume that if you got next hand multipliers that's good ( otherwise why would someone vulture them).



Double payout? Yeah, that's the disconnect. The first five credits are for the value of the current video poker hand (with or without multipliers), the second five credits are for the privilege of creating multipliers for the next hand. You don't get any extra payout beyond the multipliers by betting 10 instead of 5.
FinsRule
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April 27th, 2014 at 10:20:28 PM permalink
Quote: Swanson234

Of all the AP plays that generate heat, ultimate X vulturing should be the least of your worries. Casinos do not give a flying rat's ass about players Ultimate X vulturing. I ve done it openly in front of casino personnel and they always seemed completely disinterested. It's not cheating/thievery and it doesn't take money away from their coffers.



That's what I thought, which is why I was wondering what the person was talking about.

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