40(200 straight flush)/10/6 DDB picture
February 28th, 2014 at 8:00:13 AM
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February 28th, 2014 at 12:45:09 PM
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In Colorado, we have that idiotic law as well. One of the casinos I play has a 10/6 DDB game, but they knock the 5 coin 4oak 5-K down to 239 instead of 250. The quarter version is a progressive, though, and becomes 100% at $1151 royal.
February 28th, 2014 at 1:11:44 PM
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February 28th, 2014 at 4:35:12 PM
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There are a lot of states where this is legally the best DDB you'll find, roughly half of the states with legalized casino gambling. I've personally seen it in Illinois, Indiana, Nevada (by choice, they can offer full 10/6), and Mississippi. Here are the states that cap payouts at 100%. Unsure about CA, I swear I read it once, but I don't know where I read it. It's possible I'm missing a few. Two states are even worse: Minnesota (98%) and West Virginia (95%). I have yet to see a 100%+ long-term game outside Nevada this decade since I had my VP renaissance. I played 100.72% All American back in Missouri in 2004 for quarters. Long gone now. :(
States I'm aware of with this law:
Arizona, California, Colorado, lllinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin
States I'm aware of with this law:
Arizona, California, Colorado, lllinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin
February 28th, 2014 at 6:48:53 PM
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10/6 at what denomination?
and what casino?
and what casino?
if you dont see the sucker at the table its you!!!
February 28th, 2014 at 7:34:33 PM
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February 28th, 2014 at 10:16:29 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesThey range from quarters to $10 that I've seen here in Michigan. Possibly higher or lower though. Quarters can be found at Soaring Eagle.
nice. are they always busy machines?
if you dont see the sucker at the table its you!!!
February 28th, 2014 at 11:58:58 PM
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Quote: movieguy73nice. are they always busy machines?
In my experience, "full pay" machines are less busy than I feel they should be. When Tunica Roadhouse still offered a large amount of 99%+ VP at quarter+, they were pretty empty by the evening. The senior crowd had them pretty occupied in the mornings.
March 1st, 2014 at 1:27:58 AM
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I'm curious as to why some states can't offer over 100% games. Is it the fear of casinos being forced into competition, and having many $9~ hour players camping out their machines?
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
March 1st, 2014 at 4:58:03 AM
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March 1st, 2014 at 8:16:54 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesLast I was there, no.
ill bet all the penny slots were full tho.
i just cant understand how ppl hate money.
if you dont see the sucker at the table its you!!!
March 1st, 2014 at 8:22:09 PM
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March 1st, 2014 at 9:45:11 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesActually, the casino was pretty deserted. It was Thanksgiving break and the kids were home from CMU.
CMU Colorado Mesa University ? Yes, it's CMU to students like me LOL
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
March 1st, 2014 at 10:01:57 PM
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Quote: djatcI'm curious as to why some states can't offer over 100% games. Is it the fear of casinos being forced into competition, and having many $9~ hour players camping out their machines?
the freedom of offering 100%+ games alone doesn't necessarily create competition. My home state, Missouri, is free to offer 100%+ video poker. No casino in Missouri currently does so (best in KC: 99.95% Pick'em; STL: 99.84% Super Aces). As for the grinders camping out...possibly.
If I had to take a guess, politicians didn't want to clearly advertise a particular game was a possible long-term winner since it might give false hope for those that don't learn to optimally play the game. Also probably a big factor is one of these states added it to their law, and the other states just followed their example. Missouri has ripped off a ton from NV regulations, fwiw. Laziness, ftw!
March 2nd, 2014 at 11:35:50 AM
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I believe the purpose of the 100% laws are to prevent skimming.
If allowed to have >100% games an operator could offer a highly advantageous game at high limits. Then they could have an agent come in and take out profits which circumvents the egregious gaming revenue taxes that most of those states have.
If allowed to have >100% games an operator could offer a highly advantageous game at high limits. Then they could have an agent come in and take out profits which circumvents the egregious gaming revenue taxes that most of those states have.
March 2nd, 2014 at 12:56:40 PM
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Quote: vetsenI believe the purpose of the 100% laws are to prevent skimming.
If allowed to have >100% games an operator could offer a highly advantageous game at high limits. Then they could have an agent come in and take out profits which circumvents the egregious gaming revenue taxes that most of those states have.
Possibly so, but in my state, it's also illegal for any employee to gamble in the casino they work in. So they're breaking a law regardless. But at least having the 100% rule likely means companies like IGT would not allow a unit to be sent to that state with the ability to select a game that pays back more than 100% in the first place, so it's just another level of protection.
March 2nd, 2014 at 1:28:12 PM
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Quote: vetsenI believe the purpose of the 100% laws are to prevent skimming.
If allowed to have >100% games an operator could offer a highly advantageous game at high limits. Then they could have an agent come in and take out profits which circumvents the egregious gaming revenue taxes that most of those states have.
That's interesting and I didn't see it that way, but what stops people in Nevada from doing this? And do the operators have my number on speed dial for when they bring a 15/8 JoB on $5?
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
March 2nd, 2014 at 1:38:03 PM
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Quote: djatcThat's interesting and I didn't see it that way, but what stops people in Nevada from doing this? And do the operators have my number on speed dial for when they bring a 15/8 JoB on $5?
Not as much to stop them. But Nevada only collects a measly 6.75% on gaming revenue to begin with. Skimming saves casinos money, but not nearly as much as the states with the 100% caps. Hell, the Live Entertainment Tax and the sales tax in Vegas is higher than this. The casino lobby is very strong in Nevada obviously.
It could be possible a casino might bother do this, but I am sure doing it would be technically breaking some sort of fraud law.
