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mamat
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November 10th, 2015 at 5:35:26 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't think you have a case with Nevada Gaming. I have created multiple video slot machines that do this and they don't have a problem with it. The way the ones I have done worked was when a patron went to cash out it would prompt the patron that cashing out will clear any accumulated "bonus symbols".

Do the cleared "bonus symbols" increase the future payback for the game?
I don't see how this would be possible for "cleared VP multipliers", but maybe for slots.

>>> I thought "players equity" had to stay in the machine (or be moved into another machine).
>>> So illegal for casinos to send people/employees/hired-consultants to clear out jackpots which are too high.

One player claimed he caused problems for one casino with the "frog" game, when most of them became "erasing frogs" (with the new warning on the screen).
The player called Gaming about the "erasing frogs", and the casino pulled the game.

Interestingly, one casino experimented with three regular "frog" games on one side of a back, and three "erasing frogs" on the other side, before shifting eventually to all "erasing frogs".
mamat
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November 10th, 2015 at 5:40:38 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Visible multipliers are also a strong lure for people who don't know how to maximize their value, and they only last for 1 hand. If you're looking at a bank of VP, aren't you going to be attracted to a ready multiplier?

I don't think the casinos think the retention feature hurts them enough to take them away in the overall scheme of things. I could easily be wrong.

Casinos potentially lose $3-$9/day/game on UX leftover multipliers.
Minuscule compared to $100-300+/day/game profit on each game.

A lot of people who start chasing leftover multipliers...end up losing $1,000+ playing heads-up.

More fun making your own pages of 12Xs.
Takes 1-3 months to find a page of 12Xs, but dealt full houses are common.

Then there are the people who hate "vultures", and play longer to clear out all multipliers.
...probably helps the casino in the long run. Big win for casino.
Wizardofnothing
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November 10th, 2015 at 5:47:41 PM permalink
Where in the world do you get your numbers, even if they are complied from experience that is hardly even close to a big enough sample size to be accurate
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mamat
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November 11th, 2015 at 8:29:26 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Where in the world do you get your numbers, even if they are complied from experience that is hardly even close to a big enough sample size to be accurate

My polite suggestion is study some statistics. "Accurate" doesn't have much meaning.

You can always have bad days & good days.

Statistics can be used to explore new casinos & estimate the EV of playing on Mondays vs Saturdays. When collecting data, you make some a priori assumptions, & draw some inferences.

Bad assumptions can lead to really poor inferences.

Even 1 day of data, contains value. Consider T-distribution vs. Sigmoidal.

Especially look at modern non-linear statistics from the past 30 yrs, and not the old-fashioned pre-computer probability equations of the 1800s-1900s. Computers can work with raw data sets, with no need for equations.

My statements here are non-statistical statements based on my experiences & others.

You can ignore them all if you like.
TwoFeathersATL
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November 11th, 2015 at 9:58:59 AM permalink
Deleting while laughing
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
Ibeatyouraces
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November 13th, 2015 at 6:59:39 PM permalink
I had 43 separate plays on DW alone today, only ONE time was a deuce dealt on the deal. And I bricked all three hands. One out of friggin' 43!!!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Ibeatyouraces
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January 19th, 2016 at 10:08:08 PM permalink
My very first hand played today. Not UX but still a pretty nice $562.50 win.

DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
100xOdds
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January 20th, 2016 at 7:55:58 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

My very first hand played today. Not UX but still a pretty nice $562.50 win.


what game is this?

and why not post in the jackpot pictures thread?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
DRich
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January 20th, 2016 at 8:07:48 AM permalink
Quote: mamat


The player called Gaming about the "erasing frogs", and the casino pulled the game.

Interestingly, one casino experimented with three regular "frog" games on one side of a back, and three "erasing frogs" on the other side, before shifting eventually to all "erasing frogs".



That may be true but the casino did not have to pull them. I am very familiar with that game and know exactly how it works.

All of those frog games in Nevada had an option the casino could turn on or off to determine if the frogs cleared. It was completely up to the casino.
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rsactuary
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January 20th, 2016 at 8:33:56 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

My polite suggestion is study some statistics. "Accurate" doesn't have much meaning.

You can always have bad days & good days.

Statistics can be used to explore new casinos & estimate the EV of playing on Mondays vs Saturdays. When collecting data, you make some a priori assumptions, & draw some inferences.

Bad assumptions can lead to really poor inferences.

Even 1 day of data, contains value. Consider T-distribution vs. Sigmoidal.

Especially look at modern non-linear statistics from the past 30 yrs, and not the old-fashioned pre-computer probability equations of the 1800s-1900s. Computers can work with raw data sets, with no need for equations.

My statements here are non-statistical statements based on my experiences & others.

You can ignore them all if you like.



Wow.. I just read this for the first time. ROFL

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