Vulturing 'Ultimate X'
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Quote: TwoFeathersATLDear Sammy
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Why. I don't appreciate your humor at times. Even with simple questions I'm being civil.
When a player puts in max pays and will get a payout each 10 played instead of 5 lets say, isn't that player being paid for the 10 bet on that present hand. He/she is getting a return on the 10 per line and the multi is just a bonus or lure to put more in and stay. As far as I'm concerned, the player isn't owed anything beyond his present return. I can see that logic if it actually said on the games, "by the way, the extra five per hand isn't worth any return this play and you must play next hand with wager to win" Is that true?
But again, multi knowledge strategy is newer to me. Thus the neewb questions and thirst to read an entire 3 year old thread.
Quote: beachbumbabsThere's an OMG puppies, too, ya know. Cain't hardly find it,though. What does that say about who casinos think plays their games. ..
I think casinos are trying to get the gambling age down to 13...
Your logic is making somewhat less sense then he does (-:
The next hand multipliers are paid for by the amount you have to bet above a normal payout to generate them. On.ux, it's DOUBLE. a huge amount. So if you leave them for someone else to play off, silly you.
Quote: beachbumbabsSammy
The next hand multipliers are paid for by the amount you have to bet above a normal payout to generate them. On.ux, it's DOUBLE. a huge amount. So if you leave them for someone else to play off, silly you.
I understand that, yes. But do you not get a payout at the 10 level of coins played. Are you saying the extra 5 per hand do NOT give you any return on THAT play?
And yes, this seems weird to me to prepay extra cash just to brick almost every time on the NEXT hand. Maybe that's the excitement of vulturing right there.
Let me restate what I mean... on a jb8/6 ux, If I play 5 quarters per hand even one hand that's a bet of 1.25 - correct?
I win j's for 1 payout, get my money back of 1.25. If I paid in 10, then the screen would show being paid only 1.25 instead of the 2.50 I expect on that same even pay win?
Edit..looked back and does this visual illustrate what you are saying?
https://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/images/ultx4-small.JPG
Then no wonder casinos love mults, people are giving guaranteed money to the casinos every time that game is played, and I don't mean just vultures, regular ploppies committing cash with just a basic understanding of the ux. People are paying instant juice to the casinos.
Quote: WizardofnothingSammy I agree with 2f for the first time ever
Your logic is making somewhat less sense then he does (-:
Oh jeez, I don't like to be the source of a precedent like that.
But sometimes my mind loses the ability with simple logic and I have to run up against the wall of logic til it falls on me. I think it's has started to fall as the above replay to bb has opened up a few more synopsis's for me.
I forget the casinos only track the machine and doesn't care who's playing as long as it's active. Getting people into their casino is another department.
Quote: WizardofnothingHe just isn't really getting the point of the game
Here's another illustration for him. My 39th quad of the year and first Aces of the year. At least it was worth the wait and not on nickels! :)
Quote: tringlomaneHere's another illustration for him. My 39th quad of the year and first Aces of the year. At least it was worth the wait and not on nickels! :)
I had three hand pays last year vulturing. Two were for AWAK and the other was quad aces twice on a five play $1 DB for $800 each.
Quote: sammydvLet me restate what I mean... on a jb8/6 ux, If I play 5 quarters per hand even one hand that's a bet of 1.25 - correct?
I win j's for 1 payout, get my money back of 1.25. If I paid in 10, then the screen would show being paid only 1.25 instead of the 2.50 I expect on that same even pay win?
Not exactly.. the screen would show $1.25 + 2x multiplier on next hand.
So your theoretical win in coins would be 5 + 2 x 5 x expected value of the game = 5 +(2 x 5 x .984) = 14.84 coins
Quote: WizardofnothingHe just isn't really getting the point of the game
I suppose not. But I'm simply asking, are you actually putting in 5 extra coins per hand NOT to get any payout on that immediate hand, never mind the next multi or point of ux. The first 5 per hand are the play and the second 5 per hand give NO RETURN THAT PLAY but 'buys' you a chance at setting mults the next hand. Then you're guaranteed at least one mult I assume.
And that's what vulch is about, lucking out with mults from someones previous play who bailed for whatever reason. I just had a difficult time believing this feature exists such as it does.
thanks.
Quote: sammydvThen you're guaranteed at least one mult I assume.
This part of your post is not correct.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNo. You only bet 5 credits per line and play all of the lines. You do not bet 10 credits per line.
That's if you're vulturing, a 1 spin shot to pick up the multipliers and not leave any more behind.
Someone has to start the investment in future multipliers by betting 10x, which is I think what Sammy is asking. No guarantee you will generate any next hand multipliers on that spin; you play a normal game, get paid 5x odds on your wins,(because you're max betting, not for any other reason) and IF you bet the 10x AND won at least 1 hand, then you get a future multiplier for each hand that won. If you won no hands, your entire bet is gone, and no future multipliers on the next hand.
Damnit I'm grumpy today.
I think for most people they have to actually play the game a few times before they understand it. Even then sometimes they dont.Quote: MoosetonPlease close this thread. If you don't understand how to vulture multis after eighty some pages, you'll never get it and the world is probably a better place for you not knowing how to vulture. No further explanation should be needed other than to read what's already been wrote about it. Seriously the only thing interesting that can come of this is someone vulturing a multi. For the questions how to do it: Read up, novice.
Damnit I'm grumpy today.
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I don't know how many people have seen a bunch of 2x 3 x 4 × 5x 7x 12x on the screen only to realize it didn't say next hand after they got nothing extra.
Admit it guys you know who you are.
Quote: AxelWolfI think for most people they have to actually play the game a few times before they understand it. Even then sometimes they dont.
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I don't know how many people have seen a bunch of 2x 3 x 4 × 5x 7x 12x on the screen only to realize it didn't say next hand after they got nothing extra.
Admit it guys you know who you are.
Mission...cough cough
Quote: AxelWolfI think for most people they have to actually play the game a few times before they understand it. Even then sometimes they dont.
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I don't know how many people have seen a bunch of 2x 3 x 4 × 5x 7x 12x on the screen only to realize it didn't say next hand after they got nothing extra.
Admit it guys you know who you are.
I admit it. Took me about ten minutes to figure out what I was doing wrong. Luckily I hit quad 10's on a 12x by then. For a $1000+ hit.
Quote: beachbumbabsSomeone has to start the investment in future multipliers by betting 10x, which is I think what Sammy is asking.
Yes, assuming no multipliers to vulture... you will be paying 10 credits and getting paid based on 5 for your very first hand.
But then on your last hand... you only bet 5 and you may have multipliers... so it all evens out.
Quote: AxelWolfI think for most people they have to actually play the game a few times before they understand it. Even then sometimes they dont.
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I don't know how many people have seen a bunch of 2x 3 x 4 × 5x 7x 12x on the screen only to realize it didn't say next hand after they got nothing extra.
Admit it guys you know who you are.
Haha I did that my first time. Had a screen full of 12x. For dealt trips, hit 1 4oak. Then was confused why it wasnt 12x. Switched to next game and saw next hand. Then realized what happened.
Quote: mcallister3200Mission...cough cough
+1 LOL
I didn't really think they were worthwhile checking, but I checked a few anyways. I never really found anything at the beginning. They started to get popular and sure enough people were leaving lots of multipliers behind.
I have had more than a few people think they found a gold mine. As soon as they tell me there's lots of them I know it's probably a fake out.Quote: RS+1 LOL
I'm like...does it say next hand?
Quote: IbeatyouracesNo. You only bet 5 credits per line and play all of the lines. You do not bet 10 credits per line.
Thanks. But I see now why I'm confusing myself and others. I was questioning the game straight up, no vultch.
I totally understand the vultch part now, I was flabbergasted at the concept of putting money in for a future guarantee on nothing. Because I now think that's what it is as rsactuary said. I just assumed there was some gambling laws that said you must have a chance at a payout in response of every coin bet each time. Guess I'm wrong there.
I'm amazed this multi thing exploded like it did. But I'll be looking this time in.
Sorry for the denseness.
Good luck out there.
Quote: MoosetonPlease close this thread. If you don't understand how to vulture multis after eighty some pages, you'll never get it and the world is probably a better place for you not knowing how to vulture. No further explanation should be needed other than to read what's already been wrote about it. Seriously the only thing interesting that can come of this is someone vulturing a multi. For the questions how to do it: Read up, novice.
Damnit I'm grumpy today.
I never really said I didn't understand the mechanics of vultching, I do. I didn't have a clear picture of how payouts and mults worked themselves.
And now I'm schooled, thanks. Back to reading up.
Have a pineapple juice vodka. It'll pick you up and sweeten your disposition
gl.
Quote: WizardofnothingEvery game you put money in with a chance at nothing - if you play five credits and do not hit you get nothing - if you play ten and don't hit you get nothing
Absolutely and apologize for highjacking the thread.
Back to the thread itself, does it seem to you that vulch is being more controlled by the casinos, not just more vultures doing it? Somebody quoted that the casinos loss was minimal compared to intake per machine, however there's a lot of noise in the industry of smaller profit margins and perhaps the casinos are now taking a closer look at every aspect of play?
The tech to put a camera in every unit has been here for a while and even face recognition is a simple matter to implement for security to monitor real time or later actual users. I don't think that's far off. Your face is on every ATM out there.
Quote: sammydvAbsolutely and apologize for highjacking the thread.
Back to the thread itself, does it seem to you that vulch is being more controlled by the casinos, not just more vultures doing it? Somebody quoted that the casinos loss was minimal compared to intake per machine, however there's a lot of noise in the industry of smaller profit margins and perhaps the casinos are now taking a closer look at every aspect of play?
The tech to put a camera in every unit has been here for a while and even face recognition is a simple matter to implement for security to monitor real time or later actual users. I don't think that's far off. Your face is on every ATM out there.
Your thinking is upside-down. Profit margins may be smaller from throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Casinos NEED more games that are rumoured to be beaten. The average guy hears about a game, tries to beat it, can't and ends up blowing part of his pay check as a casual gambler or worse (or better, from the casinos perspective). How many current blackjack players would have never stepped foot in a casino til hearing rumours that bj could be legitimately beaten? They failed and now they're donating the house edge, and then some, on the weekends. Different plop hears about UX, finds an abandoned multiplier, still loses, goes on tilt and blows a bunch of cash. In the process he discovers the game is fun and comes back every weekend and brings some friends too. Throwing that guy out for looking for multipliers is bad for biz.
Quote: mcallister3200Mission...cough cough
That's a nuking...jk
Quote: DanMahoneyAnd u thought my posts were stupid.
Thanks, but I'm cool now.
I know who not to ask any more.
Appreciated the input, good or bad.
Quote: RogerKintYour thinking is upside-down. Profit margins may be smaller from throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Casinos NEED more games that are rumoured to be beaten. The average guy hears about a game, tries to beat it, can't and ends up blowing part of his pay check as a casual gambler or worse (or better, from the casinos perspective). How many current blackjack players would have never stepped foot in a casino til hearing rumours that bj could be legitimately beaten? They failed and now they're donating the house edge, and then some, on the weekends. Different plop hears about UX, finds an abandoned multiplier, still loses, goes on tilt and blows a bunch of cash. In the process he discovers the game is fun and comes back every weekend and brings some friends too. Throwing that guy out for looking for multipliers is bad for biz.
I don't think I have seen any vulture that has blown more money into UX machines after picking off multipliers in my areas. And some of the guys are there ~daily. Maybe sometimes they play straight up, but doubting it. I do it sometimes on nickels when I feel awkward, but not for very long.
Quote: AxelWolfI think for most people they have to actually play the game a few times before they understand it. Even then sometimes they dont.
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I don't know how many people have seen a bunch of 2x 3 x 4 × 5x 7x 12x on the screen only to realize it didn't say next hand after they got nothing extra.
Admit it guys you know who you are.
Question not worth a new thread, UX strategy. The deal on the vulch with better than average mults showing is a nat flush 10KJA2. Throw the 2 away for a shot at a royal on the redeal?
thx.
Quote: sammydvdo you not get a payout at the 10 level of coins played. Are you saying the extra 5 per hand do NOT give you any return on THAT play?
Sounds to me like you don't understand how the game is played. You should read the Wizard of Odds Ultimate X Video Poker strategy guide.
The pay table pays for up to 5 credits. The additional 5 credits bet is only to activate the Ultimate X feature, which produces multipliers for the next hand based on the winning rank of the current hand. If the next hand with a multiplier results in a win, the winning amount (based on up to 5 credits bet ) is multiplied by the multiplier.
Quote: mcallister3200This is a good two years ago so I can't recall exactly, it's possible the specific machines just functioned a bit differently. Basically as I recall I just pressed bet 1 until got to 5 on all lines, then when hit deal would automatically bet ten. Happened multiple times so wasn't just I pressed it one extra time on accident.
Might you have accidentally pressed the Max Bet button? I have accidentally hit Max Bet instead of Deal after setting it up for 5 credits.
Quote: BlueEagleSounds to me like you don't understand how the game is played. You should read the Wizard of Odds Ultimate X Video Poker strategy guide.
The pay table pays for up to 5 credits. The additional 5 credits bet is only to activate the Ultimate X feature, which produces multipliers for the next hand based on the winning rank of the current hand. If the next hand with a multiplier results in a win, the winning amount (based on up to 5 credits bet ) is multiplied by the multiplier.
Might you have accidentally pressed the Max Bet button? I have accidentally hit Max Bet instead of Deal after setting it up for 5 credits.
Anyone accidentally press deal button while switching through screens. I did it on a 10 play quarter game by accident last month. Ended up with 2 winning hands, vultured my screw up and bricked it. Cost me $29.
Quote: GWAEAnyone accidentally press deal button while switching through screens. I did it on a 10 play quarter game by accident last month. Ended up with 2 winning hands, vultured my screw up and bricked it. Cost me $29.
If I have cash in the machine, I won't use the buttons.
Quote: GWAE
Anyone accidentally press deal button while switching through screens. I did it on a 10 play quarter game by accident last month. Ended up with 2 winning hands, vultured my screw up and bricked it. Cost me $29.
I accidentally bet 10 on Friday...but it eventually led to my third biggest vulture win, so I'm cool.
