Low Rolling June AC Trip Report
Travel
Greyhound from Port Authority was more of a s$%^ show that usual. Ended up leaving 3.5 hours later than planned. They are enforcing the new rule that you can only leave on the departure listed on your ticket. On the plus side, no traffic in either direction.
Slots
Perhaps as a way of the Greyhound gods making it up to me for the miserable trip, my $25 bus bonus slot dollars turned into $120 real dollars. I don't like slots, so I just try to play through the minimum amount I can do to cash out. Hit a bonus round on the second spin and started the trip off with a nice win. I've historically gotten very little back from the bus bonus dollars, but this worked out well. Girlfriend turned her bonus dollars into $10 real money.
Hotel
Had a comped night at Harrah's. Line to check in was an HOUR. Painfully slow. There were 5 tellers for diamond/7 star members and 1 teller for everyone else. Diamond/7 star members kept trickling in just often enough to keep the plebes stuck waiting on the line for 1 teller. There were check-in kiosks, but they told you to go to the desk. It was brutal. Eventually got to the front and they apologized for the wait. Offered to upgrade us to a suite. The suite was honestly very nice, but it was clearly a smoking suite and I had asked for non-smoking. If I had a choice of any CET properties to stay at, I wouldn't go to Harrah's. I don't like the location of the marina properties and there's nothing special to keep me interested in Harrah's.
Unrelated note: I don't know if Harrah's is making a concerted efforts to be more friendly to guests, but every time I asked a question to an employee (putting aside front desk staff), they were exceptionally friendly. Almost to the point of being over the top about it. There was a lot of "Hello, sir! My name is ___! Thanks for you being our guest today! How can I be of assistance to you!" Something along those lines was said by everyone I spoke to, almost like it was a rehearsed line that had been drilled into them.
Other Hotels Visited
Spent time at Ocean, Hard Rock, Caesar's and Bally's. Girlfriend said Ocean was her favorite, followed by Hard Rock, Caesars, Bally's and Harrah's. She vehemently hated Harrah's. Said it felt depressing. I personally think Bally's feels much more depressing than Harrah's, but to each his own. She said that she did like the pool at Harrah's.
Food
Ocean has a taco truck/bar just off the main floor. Specials from 1-5 daily. $2 margaritas and $2 tacos. We all loved the food. Tacos were great, especially for the cost. I think chicken tacos were much better than the pork tacos. I didn't drink, but girlfriend said the margaritas were sweet and not very strong, but a solid win for $2. She ate a Johnny Rockets later at Bally's and said it was good.
Video Poker
Played $1 96 JOB at Harrah's and 0.25 cent 96 JOB at Caesars. If it matters to you, I believe Harrah's was $20 for 1 tier point vs $50:1 at Caesars. I racked up a top of tier points at Harrah's. Played roughly 2 hours between the two locations and ended up roughly $5 down. Drink service at Harrah's was a pleasant surprise--quick and friendly, ordered through the machine itself. Harrah's has a fair number of full pay machines, but only at $1 and up denom.
Craps
Played $5 craps at WWW. Packed table. 10x odds. For the most part, a very upbeat and friendly table. Several happy drunks who were having a good time and making bets for the dealers and shooters. I enjoyed playing with them. There were a few people who had to make everyone miserable, including one guy who kept buying in for trivial amounts ($23) and then AFTER getting his chips throwing a $1 bill at the stick and asking for a hard 8. Several people kept throwing their chips into the place bet area to make place bets. Dealers were not happy about that and told them to put their money in the come and then tell them what they want. There was an overwhelming amount of center action. 6 or 7 players regularly betting the hard ways and hopping, high-lows, midnight, etc etc. I felt bad for the stick trying to keep track of it all. One of the dealers seemed very new and overwhelmed. Another dealer (older woman) was sharp as a knife. She was correcting missed bets and helping the stick even while not on stick. If you were playing for time/comps, it was a dream table. Maybe 12-15 pass line bets resolved per hour. I stuck to my usual routine--$5 passline and $50 odds. I know there's much more I could be betting on, but that's plenty of action for me and a rough expected loss of about $2-$2.50 per hour is just right (on this table it was even less given how long it was taking between rolls). After an uneven start, table turned hot. Left up $360.
PGT
Played at Ocean for about an hour. Very friendly. Most of the time played solo so banked every other hand. Girlfriend watched for about 10 mins. Said she had no idea what was happening, but the "tiles look pretty." I tried to explain very generally. Took 15 mins for the pit boss to ask me where I (white guy) learned how to play pai gow tiles. I said, "have you ever head of wizard of odds?" He thought for a second and said, "oh yeah, I know wizard of odds." I don't really like the location of the Asian games section at Ocean. Feels too out in the open, but the casino is beautiful.
Played a longer session at another casino. I was the only person tipping--at one point, the dealer pushed a hand that I lost (I had bet $1 for him). It could have been a mistake, or it could have been a "thanks for tipping" move. I kept the tip up and won the next hand. He dropped a $2 toke.
PGT overall +$150 or so.
Trip Total: Up $620 or so. Variance was on my side for this quick trip.
That is what matters.Quote: TinManTrip Total: Up $620 or so. Variance was on my side for this quick trip.
Girlfriend needs Gambling School. Or MyVegas?? WoO games links???
Greyhound seems beyond belief and definitely beyond all hope.
When offered the upgrade, that is the time to say 'only if it is a non-smoking suite'. i'd prefer a nonsmoking room to a smoking suite, but your GF may have different views as you do on the matter.
Drink ordering from the slot machine saves time and errors and the waitress walks less.
Quote: TinMan
PGT
Played at Ocean for about an hour. Very friendly. Most of the time played solo so banked every other hand. Girlfriend watched for about 10 mins. Said she had no idea what was happening, but the "tiles look pretty." I tried to explain very generally. Took 15 mins for the pit boss to ask me where I (white guy) learned how to play pai gow tiles. I said, "have you ever head of wizard of odds?" He thought for a second and said, "oh yeah, I know wizard of odds." I don't really like the location of the Asian games section at Ocean. Feels too out in the open, but the casino is beautiful.
Played a longer session at another casino. I was the only person tipping--at one point, the dealer pushed a hand that I lost (I had bet $1 for him). It could have been a mistake, or it could have been a "thanks for tipping" move. I kept the tip up and won the next hand. He dropped a $2 toke.
What was the minimum at tiles? Do you use a strategy or just go with your gut?
I can't remember where I first learned to play tiles.... it was over 15 years ago. Think I learned from some random website that wasn't WoO, then a couple years later I found a copy of Musante's book.
The strategy I use is a combo of the Wizard's Simple Strategy from WOO and the strategy he advocates on his YouTube videos. They're basically the same, except I think the advice on pair splitting may be different (at a minimum, it's worded differently). E.G., WOO says never split 10s or 11s. YouTube video says never split 4s, 10s or 11s. Overall, I prefer the way he explains pair splitting on the YouTube videos. I think it's easier to follow.
The main deviation I make from his Simple Strategy is in the section on two or three ways to pay H-9, Gong, Wong. I find all of the exceptions and caveats to be confusing, so I generally following a H-9 before Gong, Gong before Wong approach.
GREYHOUND
As always, Greyhound was a mess. Bus leaving from Port Authority was 30 mins late. Driver said, "we just didn't have a bus here." There was traffic, which wasn't their fault. Roughly 70 minutes from Atlantic City a guy walks to the front of the bus and the bus driver pulls over. They both get off. Bus driver comes back on and announces that they guy has kidney failure and asked for an ambulance to be called. Ambulance got there (on the side of the highway) faster than expected and we were on our way. In total, we arrived at Caesars 90 minutes after the scheduled arrival time.
The way back was more of a mess. Bus didn't show up at all. We eventually learned that the bus bypassed Bally's. The NEXT bus pulled up and the driver refused to take our tickets due to their new policy. Told us to go to the station (2 blocks away). At the station, there was one person working the counter and roughly 20 people in line. Each person took forever. Eventually one person at the counter instructed one of the bus drivers to let us on her bus even though our tickets weren't for that departure. Bus was packed--every seat taken. 30 minutes outside NYC, two women start yelling. Childish stuff about each one invading the other's space. They slapped at each other a bit but mostly it was incessant bickering. Driver pulled over and screamed at both of them. Guy offered to change seats to separate them. One woman kept loudly talking to herself about jumping the other once we got back to NYC. Fun times.
HOTEL
It was a Saturday night and I'd never get a comped room in the Summer and certainly wouldn't pay for a room. The plan was just to power through the night. Overall, plan went well (see VP caveat below). Stayed within Bally's/Caesars/WWW the entire time.
VIDEO POKER
Played 25 cent 96 JOB. There's a progressive that was roughly $1050 for a RF. I checked the math of WOO when I got home and that upped the return ~0.1%. Hit one straight flush and 2 4OAKs. In total played roughly 3 hours over several sessions. Because I didn't have a room, found myself in the position of playing JOB at 6am after not sleeping the night before. Noticed 3 errors caused by fatigue within 15 minutes in the last session. That was the time to call it a day with VP. In total, lost $55.
SPORTS BETTING
I had never actually placed a sports bet in NJ before. Looked at the board and there was a Twins game starting in a few minutes. Friend of mine is a Twins fan so I took them on the money line. Watched the last two innings. They won, so I'm up for life in sports betting. In total, up $26.
PGT
Played ~2.5 hours at Bally's. I've had dealers ask questions like, "So, where'd you learn how to play this game?" where the unsaid premise is "you're a white guy." At Bally's one dealer (also white) was really explicit about it. I walk up to the table (it was empty) and he says, "Whoa, haven't seen you around here before. Not too many white people play this game." A few minutes later the cocktail waitress comes around and he says to her, "Hey [her first name], I've got a white guy here and he knows how to set his hands." Eventually a few Asian players came over and he clammed up and wasn't chatty anymore. Note: this was all good-natured. In total, won $20.
CRAPS
One older guy (60s) was making life miserable for the dealers. I had seen him before. He's always plastered and grouchy and dumps chips on the table. He either mumbles what he wants or says nothing and yells at the dealers who ask. It seems like he may have been angle-shooting on when his bets were on/off because there was one argument about that that I saw and every dealer on nearly every roll asked him to confirm if his bets were on or off. He was betting a lot--at least $50 on the pass line (no odds), or sometimes a doey-don't a few times. He was placing something like $170 inside while betting $300-$500 on the Lay 10. Chain smoking and generally just being a pain. In total, I lost $85.
POKER
Poker room is small, but fine. Ended up at a table where 3 guys were there for a bachelor party and 3 guys (including a dad) was there was a kid's 21st birthday. Atmosphere was friendly and social. Pretty clear most people had minimal experience playing poker in a casino. In total, won $90.
The bus makes one stop in Toms River so near to express as a local bus gets.
Seats are wider. So far every bus on time.
Tickets are 10 day open so any bus any time within 10 daysnof purchase
Seems to run every hour to 2 hours. They have a schedule I just havent studied it
Buy round trip.
$38 one way
$42 round trip
All go to main terminal in AC. No bus bonus but screw that. I cant take the Greyhound headaches anymore
Quote: darkozDue to the Greyhound nightmare and ridiculous policy I have already migrated to NJ transit also at port authority.
The bus makes one stop in Toms River so near to express as a local bus gets.
Seats are wider. So far every bus on time.
Tickets are 10 day open so any bus any time within 10 daysnof purchase
Seems to run every hour to 2 hours. They have a schedule I just havent studied it
Buy round trip.
$38 one way
$42 round trip
All go to main terminal in AC. No bus bonus but screw that. I cant take the Greyhound headaches anymore
So get a Drivers License and a vehicle. Basics of middle class America. Or better yet, flaunt your good fortune and hire a driver. Probably beneath someone of your “fear” level, but has to beat a bus.
Quote: BozSo get a Drivers License and a vehicle. Basics of middle class America. Or better yet, flaunt your good fortune and hire a driver. Probably beneath someone of your “fear” level, but has to beat a bus.
They travel the same roads.
Its not like cars got superpowered atomic drives that shoot them past the bus.
After gas, tolls, paying a driver, and arriving at pretty much the same time how is a car doing anything for me except driving my costs up?
Note that most of the forum members living in NYC take the bus.
We view people who get high off their cars to be...
Well fill in the blank. It aint pretty
Most of the other forum members don't claim to be the Most feared, well know, secretive AP's on the East Coast traveling around to many different locations. I know an AP who lives in NY, he has a licence and a car.Quote: darkozThey travel the same roads.
Its not like cars got superpowered atomic drives that shoot them past the bus.
After gas, tolls, paying a driver, and arriving at pretty much the same time how is a car doing anything for me except driving my costs up?
Note that most of the forum members living in NYC take the bus.
We view people who get high off their cars to be...
Well fill in the blank. It aint pretty
Quote: AxelWolfMost of the other forum members don't claim to be the Most feared, well know, secretive AP's on the East Coast traveling around to many different locations. I know an AP who lives in NY, he has a licence and a car.
And now you know one who doesnt
So?
And when an AP who drives is made by security getting in your car parked in the garage is about the most retarded thing you can do.
Getting on the bus much better
There is such a thing as car rentals, parking off site, etc, but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that. There are some locations using public transportation would be very very difficult to get to. That's where a car rental works well. Being able to go on road trips or scouting many locations in an area is a significant advantage to an Advantage Player. I can't imagine there is any AP worth a crap would disagree with that.Quote: darkozAnd now you know one who doesnt
So?
And when an AP who drives is made by security getting in your car parked in the garage is about the most retarded thing you can do.
Getting on the bus much better
Quote: AxelWolfThere is such a thing as car rentals, parking off site, etc, but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that. There are some locations using public transportation would be very very difficult to get to. That's where a car rental works well. Being able to go on road trips or scouting many locations in an area is a significant advantage to an Advantage Player. I can't imagine there is any AP worth a crap would disagree with that.
Thats because you LIVE IN A FRIGGING DESERT!!!!
You cant imagine living in an environment with cities that have 8 million people.
There is no place I cant get to on the east coast without public transportation thats not worth a damn.
Anyplace thats too far away I would fly too. I certainly am not driving to Illinois or Mississippi or florida from my homebase of new york.
Cant understand why any AP would consider spending thousands more on cars vs public transportation a smart AP move
Via bus or train ROUND TRIP
NYC to AC = $42
NYC to mohegan sun/foxwoods = $40 (with $60 in comps automatically upon arrival)
NYC to Philadelphia = $30
When you can show me any roundtrip driving costs that BEAT THAT then maybe I will consider throwing my money away on a car
AND MIND YOU since you may not be familiar with east coast tolls and parking costs
The tunnels and bridges into an out of NYC cost as high as $18 each way. Thats not an exaggeration. $18 for you to get across a bridge.
Manhattan parking reaches as high as $22 PER HOUR!!!!
Imgur changed their app so thats best i can link till someone shows me how.
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There are times I put in way more hours outside NV than I do here in NVQuote: darkozThats because you LIVE IN A FRIGGING DESERT!!!!
You cant imagine living in an environment with cities that have 8 million people.
There is no place I cant get to on the east coast without public transportation thats not worth a damn.
Anyplace thats too far away I would fly too. I certainly am not driving to Illinois or Mississippi or florida from my homebase of new york.
Cant understand why any AP would consider spending thousands more on cars vs public transportation a smart AP move
Via bus or train ROUND TRIP
NYC to AC = $42
NYC to mohegan sun/foxwoods = $40 (with $60 in comps automatically upon arrival)
NYC to Philadelphia = $30
When you can show me any roundtrip driving costs that BEAT THAT then maybe I will consider throwing my money away on a car
AND MIND YOU since you may not be familiar with east coast tolls and parking costs
The tunnels and bridges into an out of NYC cost as high as $18 each way. Thats not an exaggeration. $18 for you to get across a bridge.
Manhattan parking reaches as high as $22 PER HOUR!!!!
Img=[http://imgur.com/gallery/1TErrVs.jpg]
Imgur changed their app so that's best i can link till someone shows me how
LV just happens to be MY home base. Have you ever heard of fly, rent and DRIVE/rent DRIVE and Fly? During certain times I might be doing that once every few weeks. The value of being able to properly scout and suddenly veer off the beaten path absolutely TRUMP'S the cost of not being able to drive and limiting yourself to having to use DA BUS or whatever. I can't count the number times where being able to do this has lead to some significant valuable discoveries. I guess when one only has a few limited tricks in their bus bag, all that stuff isn't that important.
Let's not forget, Time Is Money.
Obviously, there are times where public transportation might be the best method. But not having a licence to drive just seems dumb to me.
There are situations that come up where not having a vehicle to drive would make a play almost impossible. A situation came up recently where there was a play in two different locations many miles apart with multiple people that needed to be shuffled around, scouting needed to be done, changes needed to be made, money needed to be safe and moved, machines needed to get locked up, all within a specific time period, people had to go back and fourth. I just barley got my ass in my seat when it needed to be and I was under threat of losing it due to other AP's since there were only two of them good for what was trying to be accomplished. Thousands in value would have been given up had this all been attempted via public transportation.
Ridding the bus $5, Driving your car $10.
Not having to sit next to this crap(no pun intended)....
......PRICELESS!!!!!
Quote: AxelWolfThere are times I put in way more hours outside NV than I do here in NVQuote: darkozThats because you LIVE IN A FRIGGING DESERT!!!!
You cant imagine living in an environment with cities that have 8 million people.
There is no place I cant get to on the east coast without public transportation thats not worth a damn.
Anyplace thats too far away I would fly too. I certainly am not driving to Illinois or Mississippi or florida from my homebase of new york.
Cant understand why any AP would consider spending thousands more on cars vs public transportation a smart AP move
Via bus or train ROUND TRIP
NYC to AC = $42
NYC to mohegan sun/foxwoods = $40 (with $60 in comps automatically upon arrival)
NYC to Philadelphia = $30
When you can show me any roundtrip driving costs that BEAT THAT then maybe I will consider throwing my money away on a car
AND MIND YOU since you may not be familiar with east coast tolls and parking costs
The tunnels and bridges into an out of NYC cost as high as $18 each way. Thats not an exaggeration. $18 for you to get across a bridge.
Manhattan parking reaches as high as $22 PER HOUR!!!!
Img=[http://imgur.com/gallery/1TErrVs.jpg]
Imgur changed their app so that's best i can link till someone shows me how
LV just happens to be MY home base. Have you ever heard of fly, rent and DRIVE/rent DRIVE and Fly? During certain times I might be doing that once every few weeks. The value of being able to properly scout and suddenly veer off the beaten path absolutely TRUMP'S the cost of not being able to drive and limiting yourself to having to use DA BUS or whatever. I can't count the number times where being able to do this has lead to some significant valuable discoveries. I guess when one only has a few limited tricks in their bus bag, all that stuff isn't that important.
Let's not forget, Time Is Money.
Obviously, there are times where public transportation might be the best method. But not having a licence to drive just seems dumb to me.
There are situations that come up where not having a vehicle to drive would make a play almost impossible. A situation came up recently where there was a play in two different locations many miles apart with multiple people that needed to be shuffled around, scouting needed to be done, changes needed to be made, money needed to be safe and moved, machines needed to get locked up, all within a specific time period, people had to go back and fourth. I just barley got my ass in my seat when it needed to be and I was under threat of losing it due to other AP's since there were only two of them good for what was trying to be accomplished. Thousands in value would have been given up had this all been attempted via public transportation.
Ridding the bus $5, Driving your car $10.
Not having to sit next to this crap(no pun intended)....
......PRICELESS!!!!!
Okay that makes sense.
My "limited bag of tricks" allows me to avoid the crap headache you just discussed.
Usually im trying to collect offers on players cards which give me a 12 to 24 hour window. Some even give me 72 hour windows.
I have my people ask for more than one copy of their card so more than one of my workers has access to their account in case someone cant make a deadline.
Im laid up in bed right now with my new sexy gf (and her one year old between us just tbh so a bit of waiting here as well) and I got none of those gotta get my butt into only 2 available seats concerns you do.
The "limited play" life is so wonderful
On a scale of 1 to 10 1 being the most. How feared, secretive and well known were you at your job? Did it include trailing to different states frequently with cards and cash?Quote: TigerWuI had a car when I lived in NYC. It was a huge PITA. If I had stayed there any longer I would have gotten rid of it.
As to the secretive aspect.
I never really meant to claim i was most feared AND secretive.
Nathan had started a thread asking to divulge your biggest secret.
I thought it was a joke thread (once u divulge a secret on an internet forum its not a secret anymore) so AS A JOKE I said I run the most secret well known most feared AP team on the East coast.
I guess no one got the joke
I only really claim most feared AP team on the East coast
And you keep all your players cards on you in the casino, or do you just leave some in a Hobo bag in the bushes behind the bus stop?Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfThere are times I put in way more hours outside NV than I do here in NVQuote: darkozThats because you LIVE IN A FRIGGING DESERT!!!!
You cant imagine living in an environment with cities that have 8 million people.
There is no place I cant get to on the east coast without public transportation thats not worth a damn.
Anyplace thats too far away I would fly too. I certainly am not driving to Illinois or Mississippi or florida from my homebase of new york.
Cant understand why any AP would consider spending thousands more on cars vs public transportation a smart AP move
Via bus or train ROUND TRIP
NYC to AC = $42
NYC to mohegan sun/foxwoods = $40 (with $60 in comps automatically upon arrival)
NYC to Philadelphia = $30
When you can show me any roundtrip driving costs that BEAT THAT then maybe I will consider throwing my money away on a car
AND MIND YOU since you may not be familiar with east coast tolls and parking costs
The tunnels and bridges into an out of NYC cost as high as $18 each way. Thats not an exaggeration. $18 for you to get across a bridge.
Manhattan parking reaches as high as $22 PER HOUR!!!!
Img=[http://imgur.com/gallery/1TErrVs.jpg]
Imgur changed their app so that's best i can link till someone shows me how
LV just happens to be MY home base. Have you ever heard of fly, rent and DRIVE/rent DRIVE and Fly? During certain times I might be doing that once every few weeks. The value of being able to properly scout and suddenly veer off the beaten path absolutely TRUMP'S the cost of not being able to drive and limiting yourself to having to use DA BUS or whatever. I can't count the number times where being able to do this has lead to some significant valuable discoveries. I guess when one only has a few limited tricks in their bus bag, all that stuff isn't that important.
Let's not forget, Time Is Money.
Obviously, there are times where public transportation might be the best method. But not having a licence to drive just seems dumb to me.
There are situations that come up where not having a vehicle to drive would make a play almost impossible. A situation came up recently where there was a play in two different locations many miles apart with multiple people that needed to be shuffled around, scouting needed to be done, changes needed to be made, money needed to be safe and moved, machines needed to get locked up, all within a specific time period, people had to go back and fourth. I just barley got my ass in my seat when it needed to be and I was under threat of losing it due to other AP's since there were only two of them good for what was trying to be accomplished. Thousands in value would have been given up had this all been attempted via public transportation.
Ridding the bus $5, Driving your car $10.
Not having to sit next to this crap(no pun intended)....
......PRICELESS!!!!!
Okay that makes sense.
My "limited bag of tricks" allows me to avoid the crap headache you just discussed.
Usually im trying to collect offers on players cards which give me a 12 to 24 hour window. Some even give me 72 hour windows.
I have my people ask for more than one copy of their card so more than one of my workers has access to their account in case someone cant make a deadline.
Im laid up in bed right now with my new sexy gf (and her one year old between us just tbh so a bit of waiting here as well) and I got none of those gotta get my butt into only 2 available seats concerns you do.
The "limited play" life is so wonderful
Sexy is in the eye of the beholder, I have seen pic's of what some guys call sexy. And they are MIWF.
Kid in bed between you guys was absolutely TMI and it sounds kinda creepy. My wife just seen this and she is like WTF... who would even feel the need to mention that?
Oh, I get it, you were trying to explain why you were wasting time on WOV when you supposedly had a sexy girl in bed with you. You probably should have spun a diffrent yarn.
PS. My wife is real, and yes, sexy.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd you keep all your players cards on you in the casino, or do you just leave some in a Hobo bag in the bushes behind the bus stop?Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfThere are times I put in way more hours outside NV than I do here in NVQuote: darkozThats because you LIVE IN A FRIGGING DESERT!!!!
You cant imagine living in an environment with cities that have 8 million people.
There is no place I cant get to on the east coast without public transportation thats not worth a damn.
Anyplace thats too far away I would fly too. I certainly am not driving to Illinois or Mississippi or florida from my homebase of new york.
Cant understand why any AP would consider spending thousands more on cars vs public transportation a smart AP move
Via bus or train ROUND TRIP
NYC to AC = $42
NYC to mohegan sun/foxwoods = $40 (with $60 in comps automatically upon arrival)
NYC to Philadelphia = $30
When you can show me any roundtrip driving costs that BEAT THAT then maybe I will consider throwing my money away on a car
AND MIND YOU since you may not be familiar with east coast tolls and parking costs
The tunnels and bridges into an out of NYC cost as high as $18 each way. Thats not an exaggeration. $18 for you to get across a bridge.
Manhattan parking reaches as high as $22 PER HOUR!!!!
Img=[http://imgur.com/gallery/1TErrVs.jpg]
Imgur changed their app so that's best i can link till someone shows me how
LV just happens to be MY home base. Have you ever heard of fly, rent and DRIVE/rent DRIVE and Fly? During certain times I might be doing that once every few weeks. The value of being able to properly scout and suddenly veer off the beaten path absolutely TRUMP'S the cost of not being able to drive and limiting yourself to having to use DA BUS or whatever. I can't count the number times where being able to do this has lead to some significant valuable discoveries. I guess when one only has a few limited tricks in their bus bag, all that stuff isn't that important.
Let's not forget, Time Is Money.
Obviously, there are times where public transportation might be the best method. But not having a licence to drive just seems dumb to me.
There are situations that come up where not having a vehicle to drive would make a play almost impossible. A situation came up recently where there was a play in two different locations many miles apart with multiple people that needed to be shuffled around, scouting needed to be done, changes needed to be made, money needed to be safe and moved, machines needed to get locked up, all within a specific time period, people had to go back and fourth. I just barley got my ass in my seat when it needed to be and I was under threat of losing it due to other AP's since there were only two of them good for what was trying to be accomplished. Thousands in value would have been given up had this all been attempted via public transportation.
Ridding the bus $5, Driving your car $10.
Not having to sit next to this crap(no pun intended)....
......PRICELESS!!!!!
Okay that makes sense.
My "limited bag of tricks" allows me to avoid the crap headache you just discussed.
Usually im trying to collect offers on players cards which give me a 12 to 24 hour window. Some even give me 72 hour windows.
I have my people ask for more than one copy of their card so more than one of my workers has access to their account in case someone cant make a deadline.
Im laid up in bed right now with my new sexy gf (and her one year old between us just tbh so a bit of waiting here as well) and I got none of those gotta get my butt into only 2 available seats concerns you do.
The "limited play" life is so wonderful
Sexy is in the eye of the beholder, I have seen pic's of what some guys call sexy. And they are MIWF.
Kid in bed between you guys was absolutely TMI and it sounds kinda creepy. My wife just seen this and she is like WTF... who would even feel the need to mention that?
Oh, I get it, you were trying to explain why you were wasting time on WOV when you supposedly had a sexy girl in bed with you. You probably should have spun a diffrent yarn.
PS. My wife is real, and yes, sexy.
I believe you said u and your wife dont have kids (which sounds like a yarn to me or not doing much to produce kids? Too much time spent driving on roads for AP plays instead of with your wife?)
Anyone who actually has experience with kids knows eventually in the middle of the night they crawl into bed with you.
In fact it seems creepy to me that you and your wife just imagine sex stuff must be happening with a kid in bed. Thats your minds at work. Parents know the real deal.
As for sexy in the eye of the beholder, thats all that really counts right? If you find your wife sexy and I dont thats not gonna change your opinion of her. Mine is sexy to me. Nuff said
Quote: TigerWuY'all are derailing this thread. Take it to Miscellaneous.
I agree. I almost called them on it, but there's the barest thread of relevancy, so I couldn't.
But let's cut out the personal remarks about wives and such from here on, guys.
Is there a reason you prefer the bus to Amtrak? I saw where Amtrak finally got the Phila-AC leg running again, so I have to think Amtrak would be an easy way to AC. I haven't compared bus prices to train, but I thought you might have some insights.
I'm like Sheldon on Big Bang. I love the train.
The AC Line has nothing to do with Amtrak. It is owned and operated by NJ Transit.Quote: redietzIs there a reason you prefer the bus to Amtrak? I saw where Amtrak finally got the Phila-AC leg running again, so I have to think Amtrak would be an easy way to AC. I haven't compared bus prices to train, but I thought you might have some insights. I'm like Sheldon on Big Bang. I love the train.
Quote: redietzHey dark oz,
Is there a reason you prefer the bus to Amtrak? I saw where Amtrak finally got the Phila-AC leg running again, so I have to think Amtrak would be an easy way to AC. I haven't compared bus prices to train, but I thought you might have some insights.
I'm like Sheldon on Big Bang. I love the train.
As SanchoPanza says thats NJ transit.
I am situated in NYC so a phila-AC run means i have to first go to Philadelphia to the catch the train. That makes a 4 hour trip.
Nj transit bus from port authority Manhattan is direct run 2 1/2 hours. (Same time a car does the run give or take a few minutes assuming its not speeding)
Quote: DRichDarkoz, if most of your business is in AC, why don't you move closer? Why live 4 hours away?
I answered this somewhere else before.
I have operations in 4 states. Working now on a fifth.
I have teams that handle much so im more travelling for money collecting or other expansion efforts.
AC is a different beast though. I just cant trust anyone to handle that location. AC casinos dont play games and I have to go thru hoops when hitting them. I do it in spurts so during the interim I go other places or stay home.
My family is in NYC so thats another reason.
Finally with the way things can change or end quickly in the AP world it makes no sense to move based on a possibility of a move imo.
Quote: darkozDue to the Greyhound nightmare and ridiculous policy I have already migrated to NJ transit also at port authority.
The bus makes one stop in Toms River so near to express as a local bus gets.
Seats are wider. So far every bus on time.
Tickets are 10 day open so any bus any time within 10 daysnof purchase
Seems to run every hour to 2 hours. They have a schedule I just havent studied it
Buy round trip.
$38 one way
$42 round trip
All go to main terminal in AC. No bus bonus but screw that. I cant take the Greyhound headaches anymore
I didn't know about NJ Transit option. I'll look into that next time. Greyhound RT is $48. NJ Transit seems to be a little cheaper. Missing the bonus sucks, as does having to walk the block or so between the terminal and Bally's, but overall sounds like a good option. I like the open return. If they truly keep to schedule and are reliable, I think that's a winner.
Quote: AxelWolfThere is such a thing as car rentals, parking off site, etc, but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that. There are some locations using public transportation would be very very difficult to get to. That's where a car rental works well. Being able to go on road trips or scouting many locations in an area is a significant advantage to an Advantage Player. I can't imagine there is any AP worth a crap would disagree with that.
Car Rentals at their lowest are around $32-$35 per day without insurance for a small, economy car. If you want the insurance option, it's another $20 per day, plus you have to fill the tank to where it originally was at the time of rental, which can cost you another $30-$40 depending on the type of car/SUV. Then add tolls costing you anywhere from $10-$20 round trip and it all adds up to -EV. Some rental car places will not let you use your own EZ pass and you would waste considerable time waiting in line for Full Service or Exact change toll booths.
Versus taking a bus for $36-$42 round trip, you get back $25-$30 in slot free play which can easily be recovered or profited from. Plus you don't have to worry about the dreaded NJ State police stopping you and relax all the way. Seems like a no brainer for any AP.
