A homeless (casino) story
I think it was someone here who said, I should have attached my name to a return slip or something, in case the ring wasn't claimed, maybe it would be donated to me vs the casino?
I don't want a reward, but what the heck, I'd rather me decide it's fate than the casino. I hope it's owner got it back, but without the slip or note, far as I know it went home with the cage person.
Are there any all Mexican food buffets in Las Vegas (or anywhere else in the USA for that matter)?
Better to learn it here than in Las Vegas and most definitely better to learn it here than in Colorado.Quote: RigondeauxUntil i learned otherwise here, I assumed money dropped in a casino was finders keepers.
Quote: MrVI've seen Chinese, Indian and traditional American style buffets, but never an all Mexican food buffet.
Are there any all Mexican food buffets in Las Vegas (or anywhere else in the USA for that matter)?
Panchosmexicanbuffetdfw.com
Quote: Rigondeaux
Until i learned otherwise here, I assumed money dropped in a casino was finders keepers.
If I am not mistaken, Las Vegas attorney Robert Nersesian has addressed this issue several times and the legal answer seems to go against common sense in that money lost in a casino legally belongs to the casino, not those who find it and this includes slot credits.
Quote: MrBoIf I am not mistaken, Las Vegas attorney Robert Nersesian has addressed this issue several times and the legal answer seems to go against common sense in that money lost in a casino legally belongs to the casino, not those who find it and this includes slot credits.
Is that not that case with most businesses and property in general? That money sitting within the property is presumed to be owned by the property owner, unless specifically on an individual?
Quote: GandlerIs that not that case with most businesses and property in general? That money sitting within the property is presumed to be owned by the property owner, unless specifically on an individual?
Hell no
If I am in burger king and see a $10 bill behind the counter then I assume it belongs to them
If i see it laying under a table with a tray full of just eaten burgers i assume it belongs to the prior customer and if i dont see that customer its mine
I am definitely not handing it back to the restaurant
Now if its a lost wallet with money I hand it into management
One time i found broadway show tickets on the floor of burger king. Handed them into management. Maybe 20 minutes later i saw a couple searching the floor for something lost. After i made sure they got their tickets they gave me $20 as a reward
Quote: darkozHell no
If I am in burger king and see a $10 bill behind the counter then I assume it belongs to them
If i see it laying under a table with a tray full of just eaten burgers i assume it belongs to the prior customer and if i dont see that customer its mine
I am definitely not handing it back to the restaurant
Now if its a lost wallet with money I hand it into management
One time i found broadway show tickets on the floor of burger king. Handed them into management. Maybe 20 minutes later i saw a couple searching the floor for something lost. After i made sure they got their tickets they gave me $20 as a reward
I was not asking your personal ethics, I was asking about property law. I doubt BK would spend the time and money prosecuting you for picking up a dollar bill.
But, why would you go behind the counter to a restricted area to look for dollar bills? That sounds suspicious as is.....
However, casinos are a different matter because they already have an issue with homeless people who literally do nothing all day but wander around and look for dropped chips and tickets..... So it makes sense that casinos crack down in their property, otherwise the problem would be even worse....
Quote: darkozHell no
If I am in burger king and see a $10 bill behind the counter then I assume it belongs to them
If i see it laying under a table with a tray full of just eaten burgers i assume it belongs to the prior customer and if i dont see that customer its mine
I am definitely not handing it back to the restaurant
Now if its a lost wallet with money I hand it into management
One time i found broadway show tickets on the floor of burger king. Handed them into management. Maybe 20 minutes later i saw a couple searching the floor for something lost. After i made sure they got their tickets they gave me $20 as a reward
I once found a $20 bill in while checking out at Walmart and promptly handed it to the cashier and told them I had just found it.
Would you just pocket a wallet, a pair of sunglasses, or a cell phone if you found it laying around? I think most people would call any of that stealing.
Why would lost petty cash be any different than any other property, and automatically be considered fair game to any bystander?
Quote: billryanI haven't seen it in Vegas, but at the Sands,AC, I encountered a guy who scavenged drinks and beers people left behind. I thought I saw him doing it but wanted to be sure so next time I saw him I observed. When it was obvious what he was doing, I reported him.
As if that isn’t already gross, homeless people will also do this with cigarette butts.
I was told she'd been doing it for years. I intercepted her one day thinking to ban her. She explained she took them home, unrolled them and rolled her own using the tobacco. She said both her parents smoked and had a two pack a day habit. Instead of taking the train home from work, she walked the two miles, stopping along the way to get her butts and spent her evenings refilling them.
I later found out she was only in her mid 40s. She looked twenty years older.
Quote: GandlerI was not asking your personal ethics, I was asking about property law. I doubt BK would spend the time and money prosecuting you for picking up a dollar bill.
But, why would you go behind the counter to a restricted area to look for dollar bills? That sounds suspicious as is.....
However, casinos are a different matter because they already have an issue with homeless people who literally do nothing all day but wander around and look for dropped chips and tickets..... So it makes sense that casinos crack down in their property, otherwise the problem would be even worse....
You missed the point
I dont go behind the counter looking for money
What im saying is behind the counter the money belongs to the restaurant. Where the public stays and eats lost money is not their property
Also I think the original question has gotten misinterpreted
The question was does mislaid items belong automatically to the casino
Someone mentioned lost sunglasses and would I keep them. I would turn those in but that does not mean they now belong to the casino. I hope we all agree they belong to the original property owner
As for cash, I doubt if I found money on the floor if that money wouldnt make into the pockets of casino security. I find them to be bigger lawbreakers than the rest of us using their position as cover
Quote: darkozthat money wouldnt make into the pockets of casino security. I find them to be bigger lawbreakers than the rest of us using their position as cover
Of course, employee's anywhere are
always the biggest crooks, they have
the access. At Walmart 70% of theft
is from employees and 20% from
the public. 10% is from vendors.
That's why you see so many self
checkout lanes. It's not so a store
can save paying a cashier, it's
to prevent cashier theft. There are
a hundred ways a cashier can collude
with an friend to steal huge amounts.
Switch a label, for instance. Take a
tag off a $12 item and put it on a
$90 item and your cashier friend never
notices. Much harder to do in self
checkout because of the scales. Also
expensive items get you a lot of scrutiny
in self checkout.
Quote: EvenBobOf course, employee's anywhere are
always the biggest crooks, they have
the access. At Walmart 70% of theft
is from employees and 20% from
the public. 10% is from vendors.
That's why you see so many self
checkout lanes. It's not so a store
can save paying a cashier, it's
to prevent cashier theft. There are
a hundred ways a cashier can collude
with an friend to steal huge amounts.
Switch a label, for instance. Take a
tag off a $12 item and put it on a
$90 item and your cashier friend never
notices. Much harder to do in self
checkout because of the scales. Also
expensive items get you a lot of scrutiny
in self checkout.
I am friendly with some of the employees at my local Target -- just found out a mother/daughter team of employees there got arrested for stealing over $8k in cash and merchandise over the past 3 months
That's odd. They always chase me out when I try to do that.Quote: Gandler, casinos are a different matter because they already have an issue with homeless people who literally do nothing all day but wander around and look for dropped chips and tickets.
Quote: aceofspadesI am friendly with some of the employees at my local Target -- just found out a mother/daughter team of employees there got arrested for stealing over $8k in cash and merchandise over the past 3 months
Teams are a nightmare for the chain
stores. They can steal 10's of thousands
in just a few months. Even vendors can
be in cahoots with an employee.
They like to make out like shoplifting
is the big problem when it's just a
fly in the ointment compared to employee
theft. At some Walmart's managers have
been caught filling an entire van with
stuff at 3am. Very common.
I know for a fact all those cameras you
see in stores spend most of their time
monitoring employee's. To nail a
customer for shoplifting now you must
have an airtight case or you can get sued.
I read if you're over 65 at Walmart they
won't even bother you for fear they'll
give you a heart attack and be sued for
$200 grand.
Quote: EvenBobTeams are a nightmare for the chain
stores. They can steal 10's of thousands
in just a few months. Even vendors can
be in cahoots with an employee.
They like to make out like shoplifting
is the big problem when it's just a
fly in the ointment compared to employee
theft. At some Walmart's managers have
been caught filling an entire van with
stuff at 3am. Very common.
I know for a fact all those cameras you
see in stores spend most of their time
monitoring employee's. To nail a
customer for shoplifting now you must
have an airtight case or you can get sued.
I read if you're over 65 at Walmart they
won't even bother you for fear they'll
give you a heart attack and be sued for
$200 grand.
New advantage play for the 65+ crowd
Quote: aceofspadesNew advantage play for the 65+ crowd
Sure, but first you have to figure out what world EB lives on and then how to get there.
Quote: RigondeauxIt's definitely stealing to take food from a buffet. Though some allow it in moderation. At circus circus they encouraged me to take a cookie.
I agree. Just about every buffet has rules against leaving with food. Some, like the dining commons at UCSB, let you leave with one handheld item like a piece of fruit or a cookie. When you pay to enter you are engaging in a contract and agree to their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't go.
Quote: WizardI agree. Just about every buffet has rules against leaving with food.
It's the same reason Vegas casinos
don't have free beverage stations
like Indian casinos do. In Vegas
the homeless would line up and
fill gallon jugs with Coke and Pepsi
and free coffee.
If there was no punishment for
taking food from a buffet, people
would fill a shopping bag with
cookies and desserts and bread
and anything else that didn't leak
all over and the restaurant would
close in a week.
Quote: EvenBobIt's the same reason Vegas casinos
don't have free beverage stations
like Indian casinos do. In Vegas
the homeless would line up and
fill gallon jugs with Coke and Pepsi
and free coffee.
I have a friend who used to eat at the McDonalds at the D at a lot (where we've had some WoV McNugget challenges). He said he would often see what looked like bums fill a coin cup (this was before TITO was the norm) with soda from McDonald's former self-serve soda machine without paying a dime. It came as no surprise to him when McDonalds moved the machine behind the counter.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThere is one well hidden inside an MGM property on the strip.
I'm stumped. I know all of them pretty well, but you got me there. I don't think it should count if it is in a high limit room or employee area.
Not in those areas. But is in a food area. And we did ask if we could use it without buying a cup and was told yes. This was also a few years ago also, so it could've changed.
Quote: Wizardlooked like bums fill a coin cup (this was before TITO was the norm) with soda from McDonald's former self-serve soda machine
My local casino has 3 large free beverage
stations with 6 kinds of soft drinks, hot
cocoa, and regular and decaf coffee. You
never see anybody abusing them. But
the casino is in the middle of a corn
field 20 miles from any city. Lots of
deer, no homeless people.
Quote: gamerfreakI once found a $20 bill in while checking out at Walmart and promptly handed it to the cashier and told them I had just found it.
Would you just pocket a wallet, a pair of sunglasses, or a cell phone if you found it laying around? I think most people would call any of that stealing.
Why would lost petty cash be any different than any other property, and automatically be considered fair game to any bystander?
Not addressing the legal issue.
I'm a pretty big ADD-tard so I drop more money than most people. I think, like most people, I assume it's gone. I'm not going to go walking around businesses asking if anyone turned in $5 or $20. I find no fault with the person who found it and put it in their pocket. They probably assume that the owner of the money will not even bother looking for it.
If it was a big wad of cash, then I'd ask.
Sunglasses... sort of depends. If it's in a business, sure, turn em in. If it's on the street, keep 'em rather than taking them to the PD, where they will sit in a box forever.
Phone/wallet: it's pretty easy to find the owner, so return it to them.
Quote: IbeatyouracesEvery casino I've been to outside of Vegas has multiple free beverage stations.
I find this to be true of isolated casinos in non-populated areas. Casinos that rely on locals or highway traffic. I can't recall seeing free soda machines in big gambling cities like Laughlin, Reno, AC, Tunica, or Biloxi.
Quote: MrVI thought a big reason there are not any self-service soft drinks or water fountains in Las Vegas casinos was because it would cause union problem, as it would hurt the CW's.
I would definitely think straight up BUMS filling up empty Pepsi bottles they got out of the garbage with free Casino soda from the self serve soda fountain and then attempting to "return" it at a local store such as Walgreen's for store credit would be the bigger problem. Something similar happened at a Burger King a long time ago. Some low life was siphoning the free hand sanitizer by filling up their own bottle before they were caught by manager and told that the sanitizer was meant for customers that were eating not for the general public to fill up their own personal bottle and make off with it.
Quote: WizardI find this to be true of isolated casinos in non-populated areas. Casinos that rely on locals or highway traffic. I can't recall seeing free soda machines in big gambling cities like Laughlin, Reno, AC, Tunica, or Biloxi.
I can speak to ac and biloxi
Ac you are correct. No self-serve soda machines
Biloxi however does. Boomtown and hard rock are 2 at least
Quote: darkozI can speak to ac and biloxi
Ac you are correct. No self-serve soda machines
Biloxi however does. Boomtown and hard rock are 2 at least
It's an abuse issue. If the casino is
going to be giving freebies away
to the general population and not
just casino patrons, you won't see
them. Soaring Eagle in MI got
rid of theirs for awhile, but the
customers complained and they
brought it back. The new CEO said
it was a waste of money, but lost
business when she took it out.
So that was that.
Quote: EvenBobIt's an abuse issue. If the casino is
going to be giving freebies away
to the general population and not
just casino patrons, you won't see
them. Soaring Eagle in MI got
rid of theirs for awhile, but the
customers complained and they
brought it back. The new CEO said
it was a waste of money, but lost
business when she took it out.
So that was that.
SHE.
Case closed.
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I always thought that it was the casinos that couldn't offer comp alcohol that had the self-serve machines. Kind of like a consolation for no free booze. All of the midwest casinos I've been to have had them, but I don't recall seeing them anywhere else. I'm sure there are exceptions to this.Quote: WizardI find this to be true of isolated casinos in non-populated areas. Casinos that rely on locals or highway traffic. I can't recall seeing free soda machines in big gambling cities like Laughlin, Reno, AC, Tunica, or Biloxi.
If you don't give away free drinks, I bet you don't need nearly as many CW's. Perhaps it is cheaper to just install the beverage machines than hire the additional service staff.
Quote: MrVI thought a big reason there are not any self-service soft drinks or water fountains in Las Vegas casinos was because it would cause union problem, as it would hurt the CW's.
I don't know about that. The only ones I ever saw in Vegas were at the M, which took them out after a couple years or so.
Quote: NathanI would definitely think straight up BUMS filling up empty Pepsi bottles they got out of the garbage with free Casino soda from the self serve soda fountain and then attempting to "return" it at a local store such as Walgreen's for store credit would be the bigger problem.
There was such a case on the People's Court a long time ago, back when Wapner was the judge. Somebody returned a bottle of soda to a convenience store because it was allegedly flat. The store owner refused so a lawsuit ensued. The owner complained how people try to cheat him all day long, that he didn't see the customer open the soda, and implied the soda he was returning wasn't his. Both parties were standing on principle and seemed to take it very seriously. In the end, I don't remember who won.
This goes to show the kind of thing that sticks in my brain.
I think I saw that episode! But I thought it was a can of beer that was allegedly flat. Maybe there were 2 similar episodes. What stuck in my brain was that the plaintiff was suing for $0.75! I remember thinking, "Who would go to court over 75 cents?" But like you said, it's the principle.Quote: WizardThere was such a case on the People's Court a long time ago, back when Wapner was the judge. Somebody returned a bottle of soda to a convenience store because it was allegedly flat. The store owner refused so a lawsuit ensued. The owner complained how people try to cheat him all day long, that he didn't see the customer open the soda, and implied the soda he was returning wasn't his. Both parties were standing on principle and seemed to take it very seriously. In the end, I don't remember who won.
This goes to show the kind of thing that sticks in my brain.
Quote: JoemanI think I saw that episode! But I thought it was a can of beer that was allegedly flat. Maybe there were 2 similar episodes. What stuck in my brain was that the plaintiff was suing for $0.75! I remember thinking, "Who would go to court over 75 cents?" But like you said, it's the principle.
What are the odds?! Now that you mention it, I do think it was a can of beer, not soda.
Still not the smallest case I've seen on that show. There was another I recall against a pet store that sold somebody a goldfish that quickly died. I think the amount in contest was 25 cents.
Quote: FleaStiffThat's odd. They always chase me out when I try to do that.
Right, they do because they have to, they have mass amounts of people who try...... And, if they did not crack down on and trespass people, it would get even worse.
