AOS Tournament Trip
Quote: IbeatyouracesHole card strategy is way more powerful than count strategy. Unless there were nothing but tens and aces left, you just stand on A,9 vs 3,3.
Interesting statement, and it begs a question.
A,9 vs 3, or 3,3 if flashed hole card.
I not genius, I would play as A,9 vs dealer 6, and double both hands...
Would have won here maybe, but I'm not sure about all the implications over the long run.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLInteresting statement, and it begs a question.
A,9 vs 3, or 3,3 if flashed hole card.
I not genius, I would play as A,9 vs dealer 6, and double both hands...
Would have won here maybe, but I'm not sure about all the implications over the long run.
A dealer 6 up is not the same as a 3 up 3 in the hole.
Quote: IbeatyouracesA dealer 6 up is not the same as a 3 up 3 in the hole.
I didn't say I was stupid......
I didn't say I was smart......
I would think, just gut thought, that dealer 3,3 would be better for player than dealer 3, hole card unknown.
Wouldn't really double two hands of 9,A either way.
Not unless I was playing in such a fashion that I have never admitted anywhere, and then it would depend on some other....data...
Am I wrong? No count, just 9,A vs dealer 3, or Dealer 3,3 knowing hole card. Which is better for player?
Over my pay grade...
Honest question.
Quote: aceofspadesand the trip now stands at -9300
Hooray? Better than 12.5 down? At a loss
for words.
Quote: EvenBobHooray? Better than 12.5 down? At a loss
for words.
At a loss for words because you wish I was losing even more Bob?
Quote: aceofspadesAt a loss for words because you wish I was losing even more Bob?
You've worn me out, too much of a roller
coaster ride this trip. I'm exhausted.
Jeez talk about variance.
were expecting a week ago today.
Not leaving until tonight though so let's see where this train leaves us!
Trip is -7700
Do you have a set time where you are staying in Vegas? Looks like you are staying in Vegas on a day to day basis where you leave when you want to leave.
Quote: DMSCRace,
Do you have a set time where you are staying in Vegas? Looks like you are staying in Vegas on a day to day basis where you leave when you want to leave.
Oh yeah always a set time - it's just that time has yet to arrive :)
Still playing some hit and run
currently have 4500 of 12500 back
Quote: aceofspadesOh yeah always a set time - it's just that time has yet to arrive :)
Still playing some hit and run
currently have 4500 of 12500 back
So you're down 8K again?
that makes my YTD -27k
If I want to go further back - to about 5 years ago when I first began reading about blackjack and going to casinos, I am virtually even
while a small consolation, it does help lessen the sting
Quote: aceofspades
If I want to go further back - to about 5 years ago when I first began reading about blackjack and going to casinos, I am virtually even
Are you including the thousands in
comps you got in your calculation?
Quote: EvenBobAre you including the thousands in
comps you got in your calculation?
Don't forget the entertainment value.
In all seriousness, on these week long trips, if he wasn't in vegas or AC he may be in caubo sp? Spending mone instead of breaking even.
Quote: EvenBobAre you including the thousands in
comps you got in your calculation?
I never count comps as, I would not need the hotel rooms/meals/show tickets/etc. were I not at the casino to gamble
Quote: aceofspadesI never count comps as, I would not need the hotel rooms/meals/show tickets/etc. were I not at the casino to gamble
It is of value though. If you did not use the funds for gambling, what would you do with the time and money instead? That would be the true measure of the "cost". Also, recall that you were able to share some of your RFB with your family. Their entertainment should be factored in too.
It's too bad this trip didn't run positive BR wise, but it sounds like you had some exciting times, and didn't tilt into a huge hole (relatively). I enjoy reading and seeing your adventures, good and bad. Thanks for sharing. Next time, hopefully, will be your turn to catch the BJ's right out of the shuffle.
Quote: aceofspadesI never count comps as, I would not need the hotel rooms/meals/show tickets/etc. were I not at the casino to gamble
But you still got them and they are positive
EV. You are thousands ahead, well over 10
thousand, probably. If you are really even,
you did all of it with no out of pocket expense.
Or very little, anyway.
Is that including the 5k free play you won?Quote: aceofspadesI never count comps as, I would not need the hotel rooms/meals/show tickets/etc. were I not at the casino to gamble
Bob did you really just say comps were positive EV?Quote: EvenBobBut you still got them and they are positive
EV. You are thousands ahead, well over 10
thousand, probably. If you are really even,
you did all of it with no out of pocket expense.
Or very little, anyway.
I never though I would ever hear you say that.
Quote: AxelWolfBob did you really just say comps were positive EV?
I never though I would ever hear you say that.
For me they are not, but for Ace, hell yes. I never
play long enough to get rated.
Quote: AyecarumbaIt is of value though. If you did not use the funds for gambling, what would you do with the time and money instead? That would be the true measure of the "cost". Also, recall that you were able to share some of your RFB with your family. Their entertainment should be factored in too.
It's too bad this trip didn't run positive BR wise, but it sounds like you had some exciting times, and didn't tilt into a huge hole (relatively). I enjoy reading and seeing your adventures, good and bad. Thanks for sharing. Next time, hopefully, will be your turn to catch the BJ's right out of the shuffle.
Thank you Aye -- I hope to run nicely out of the gate on one (or more) of these trips (for a change)
Ok so the 5k drawing FP (or what ever it was) was an anomaly, so if you exclude that from your BJ play you are actually losing on BJ.Quote: aceofspadesThe "virtually even" calculation tallies blackjack wins/losses and certain free play I earned. Otherwise, no comps or the like were included.
My point is......
You don't have to play long on roulette. They tend to rate roulette very well even short sessions(They may even keep you logged in longer than you deserve, hell you can probably sit out a bunch of spins(I assume you jump in and out of betting depending what comes up and whatever pattern you are looking for) and get rated. They rate roulette good because its what they/we call a suckers game. Unless of course you are just red chipping it. In that case I agree. Why bother? However if I had a fool proof roulette system I wouldn't be red chipping it. Again why bother?Quote: EvenBobFor me they are not, but for Ace, hell yes. I never
play long enough to get rated.
Quote: IbeatyouracesA dealer 6 up is not the same as a 3 up 3 in the hole.
If you know the HC is a 3 (and a 3 is up), then they are the same....unless you're talking about EOR (two 3's are removed, instead of one 6). I know some hands are different, for example, a 6 up with 4 in the hole is treated differently than a T up with unkn in the hole (since dealer can pop an Ace for a 21 with 6,4 ... but cannot have an Ace in the hole when there's a T up [in US]). How is 6,X different than 3,3?
Quote: WizardofnothingAxel roulette can be beaten not sure why you are so down on it
Not the way EB says.
Quote: WizardofnothingWhat does axel know anyway he still thinks you should tbhrow away the extra card when you get dealt quads instead of standing just to see the machine malfunction
What's wrong with wanting to see the machine malfunction?
Quote: AxelWolfI was playing a Blackjack machine where 6 cards without busting is an automatic winner. I had a 6 card soft 21 (A3A222) so I couldn't lose no matter what I did next. I got cute and hit my 21, oops apparently it didn't know what to do because as soon as I pushed the hit button the machine locked up and malfunctioned. It went to a green screen and said call attendant.
It erased everything. Luckily the casino did pay me all my credits after explaining the situation.
They said they had to shut it down and call both gaming and the game manufacturer.
Slept most of the day (I have weird issues with jet lag that totally throw me off)
Somewhere in there I missed the point where the phone went dead....
Maybe it just wanted another quarter?
I decided to swiftly leave the area.
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhat's a 'pay phone' ?
It's that thing Robert De Niro's character was standing in when he heard the news that Joe Pesci's character got whacked in the movie Goodfellas.
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhat's a 'pay phone' ?
Show N' Tell of the Day.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+de+niro+heat+payphone
Quote: DMSCRShow N' Tell of the Day.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+de+niro+heat+payphone
Bad link.
Try again.
I wanted to see....
Exactly what meds are you on anyway? Joke, not insult, Ha-Ha and all that.....
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhat's a 'pay phone' ?
There is actually still one of these in the circuit court building in my county.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLTried that link again, went to even stranger places this time.
Exactly what meds are you on anyway? Joke, not insult, Ha-Ha and all that.....
The Ganja ish soooo gwwoood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5_UP8T7kw
Actually, just a handful of years ago, there were a lot of advertisements about buying, owning, servicing, getting seriously (shush, don't tell everyone ), seriously rich with pay phones.Quote: RaleighCrapsWhat's a 'pay phone' ?
I was not a part of that play, I swear....
Next year went from a nickel to a dime. SIGH
I could no longer get free dial tone by hitting coin return at right moment to also get nickle back.
Quote: GWAECan't remember the exact mechanics but there were times when you would go over your time and when you hung up the phone would ring and it would be the operator asking for more money.
You have it exactly correct.
