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Quote: Baccaratfrom79I have lost, I have won. I have played so long I gave it all back including the bankroll. I have learned that there are opportunities and you find them, go in and play smart and don't play every hand. Find the opportunity and smack them. Little or big, don't give it back. It more will power and an art then anything to do with wagering systems. If all else fails, find the candy and fruit dishes, have a snack. Don't forget to hide money in your room safe.
There's no such thing as opportunities in baccarat unless you're using a computer simulation to find an advantage in the remainder of the shoe (or working some other angle).
If you're not, you will lose on average 1.06% on each banker bet, 1.24% on each player bet, and 14.36% on each tie bet, regardless of when you place the bet.
The only thing "smart" about not playing every hand is you lose less overall since you're betting less overall.
Quote: sc15There's no such thing as opportunities in baccarat
Really? They have bac championships in Vegas
every year and it's usually the same Asians
that go there and play in them. The winners
always seem to be the same small group
of players. If no skill or opportunities are
involved, why is that.
It's like this morning, I am doing 20 mph on freezing rain/ice. Here comes this slick young guy in a jacked up $80,000.00 Ford Super-Duty F-550. Passes me flashing his high beams and blowing his horn to get out of his precious little way on the interstate. A mile down the road he is upside down in the median. Cool deal. Probably a MBA or a high tech computer internet guy 25 years old or so with all his Robert Graham cool clothes and his $300 or $500 Jordan's on. I will stop there........
Quote: 1BBAre you still mad at Foxwoods?
Of course
Quote: aceofspadesOf course
I can't say that I blame you.
Quote: 1BBI can't say that I blame you.
Same with Borgata - went there when they first opened (just a day trip with some friends - wasn't into the whole blackjack scene back then) and they left me with a bad taste in my mouth - hence, haven't played there ever since.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79To a certain point you are right! Will wager $5k and never blink an eye with a loss. Then we don't want to pay $7.49 for a bag of chips that are $2.49 like we did at that little itty bitty tiny store at The Mirage across from BLT Burger joint. 2 bags of chips, a bag of Pepperridge farm cookies and a small slim jim was like $24.00. But it is also the selection, flavors and brands. When we get to town, we have to get the baby a box of diapers, a couple half gallons of milk and a host of other stuff. This time around it was my wife's nail polish remover, cotton balls, q-tips and other junk. The gift shop off the side of CP lobby in the front corner is pretty lax on their selections as well.
I don't think it is the amount of money that is the issue.
It is the perceived value, or more explicitly, the perceived lack of value.
When you make a $5k bet, you know you could win $5K. You know the odds are slightly against it, but you know you will many times. So you have no issues with making that bet, and losing the $5k when the house wins.
Now to that $7 bag of chips. It's not the $7 that has you irritated. It is the fact that you know that is only a $2 bag of chips. You are not getting the correct value for your $7.
Quote: RaleighCrapsI don't think it is the amount of money that is the issue.
It is the perceived value, or more explicitly, the perceived lack of value.
When you make a $5k bet, you know you could win $5K. You know the odds are slightly against it, but you know you will many times. So you have no issues with making that bet, and losing the $5k when the house wins.
Now to that $7 bag of chips. It's not the $7 that has you irritated. It is the fact that you know that is only a $2 bag of chips. You are not getting the correct value for your $7.
Came in here to post this - left satisfied :)
Quote: EvenBobReally? They have bac championships in Vegas
every year and it's usually the same Asians
that go there and play in them. The winners
always seem to be the same small group
of players. If no skill or opportunities are
involved, why is that.
Tournaments are different because you're trying to beat the other players, not the house.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79There are plenty of opportunities. Lots to win and lots to lose.
And this is how casinos get people to play, by people deluding themselves thinking they have any kind of control over whether they win or lose.
You might spend hours deciding when to bet and when not to bet, when the fact is, is if you just played every hand (but played the same # of hands total where you actually bet), your results will be the same overall.
Are you an addict already?Quote: Baccaratfrom79So, when I start playing craps I am an addict??
Quote: RaleighCrapsI don't think it is the amount of money that is the issue.
It is the perceived value, or more explicitly, the perceived lack of value.
When you make a $5k bet, you know you could win $5K. You know the odds are slightly against it, but you know you will many times. So you have no issues with making that bet, and losing the $5k when the house wins.
Now to that $7 bag of chips. It's not the $7 that has you irritated. It is the fact that you know that is only a $2 bag of chips. You are not getting the correct value for your $7.
Was going to type exactly this. Thanks, Raleigh!
Quote: sc15Tournaments are different because you're trying to beat the other players, not the house.
Playing baccarat after many years, since the 80's one learns that you are really not playing against the house also. In bac you are playing against the cards, the shoe and in all realty against yourself. If done in the correct manner with the correct frame of mind, it is a very ez game to win. In fact, one learns it is the easiest game in the casino to win but also the easiest one to lose. If you control yourself, manage your winnings and realize when it is time to walk away--a player can do very well. (I did not cite a person can consistently beat the game or win every time) Usually the only problems with bac is a player stays too long, gets involved in personality type of wagering or becomes greedy.
Learn your win/loss plateaus and recognize what your particular traits have proven regarding your buy-ins and success rates. Once you have really figured out those two you will become a much better and less greedy player.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79Playing baccarat after many years, since the 80's one learns that you are really not playing against the house also. In bac you are playing against the cards, the shoe and in all realty against yourself. If done in the correct manner with the correct frame of mind, it is a very ez game to win. In fact, one learns it is the easiest game in the casino to win but also the easiest one to lose. If you control yourself, manage your winnings and realize when it is time to walk away--a player can do very well. (I did not cite a person can consistently beat the game or win every time) Usually the only problems with bac is a player stays too long, gets involved in personality type of wagering or becomes greedy.
Learn your win/loss plateaus and recognize what your particular traits have proven regarding your buy-ins and success rates. Once you have really figured out those two you will become a much better and less greedy player.
keep it going. I vote for not giving sc15 the satisfaction by saying "you're right" LOL
Quote: sc15And this is how casinos get people to play, by people deluding themselves thinking they have any kind of control over whether they win or lose.
You might spend hours deciding when to bet and when not to bet, when the fact is, is if you just played every hand (but played the same # of hands total where you actually bet), your results will be the same overall.
No insult intended. But that is the most absurd thing I ever read and also the furthest thing from the truth.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79No insult intended. But that is the most absurd thing I ever read and also the furthest thing from the truth.
Math backs me up.
Stuperstitions backs you up.
How much are you up/down lifetime? Or do you not keep track?
Quote: Baccaratfrom79No idea lifetime. I am conscious of my overall win/losses for the past several years from CET, MGM and others. The past few years, works out to be up. No different than an expensive hobby like muscle cars. I used to build and sell them. Win and lose in that too.
Yeah, so stop pretending like you know anything about gambling.
It's like the muscle car guy trying to talk about how to run a profitable car dealership.
Hey, maybe you can get me a limo on my next trip in April???
Quote: Baccaratfrom79I know enough not to play every single hand. Other than that I do okay. I just have to learn how to find the room that AceofSpades had is all.
The only reason to not play every hand is so you lose less overall.
Like, if you want to spend 4 hours at the table, you're much better off playing every other hand for 4 hours rather than every hand for 4 hours.
But if you were to play every hand for 2 hours and then spend 2 hours at the pool, the end result will be the same. (Maybe less comps depending on how they rate you).
I am heading to AC for a day trip this weekend - hope to begin my comeback
Quote: Baccaratfrom79We need funds for Vegas splurges!!! Don't forget! Or else we are going to be eating M&M's and apples at the GN in the hallway!
I'm quite sure your host will give you whatever you desire
Quote: Baccaratfrom79We need funds for Vegas splurges!!! Don't forget! Or else we are going to be eating M&M's and apples at the GN in the hallway!
I would like to do a petri dish culture of the surfaces of the M&Ms in the GN bowls.
Quote: sc15I would like to do a petri dish culture of the surfaces of the M&Ms in the GN bowls.
E. coli gives the M&Ms a nice finish
Quote: ArtemisI like to respond to SC15 & B79's baccarat posts, but I get a question for the "enforcers":
Since Ace's thread has nothing to do with baccarat, are the potential HIJACKERs (SC15, B79, Art, etc...) at risk for the 3-day-suspension? if so, I will not post anymore in this thread.
Who here has not highjacked a thread other than new members who haven't posted much? How many of the 21,245 threads on this site have not been hijacked? How many suspensions have been issued for highjacking? A quick look at the Suspension List shows two in over 5 years. Now warnings are suddenly being given for hijacking.
What definition of highjacking is used on this site? Is some form of highjacking acceptable while others are not? I ask these questions with a sincere effort to learn, not to have the usual suspects gang up on me.
Quote: 1BBWho here has not highjacked a thread other than new members who haven't posted much? How many of the 21,245 threads on this site have not been hijacked? How many suspensions have been issued for highjacking? A quick look at the Suspension List shows two in over 5 years. Now warnings are suddenly being given for hijacking.
What definition of highjacking is used on this site? Is some form of highjacking acceptable while others are not? I ask these questions with a sincere effort to learn, not to have the usual suspects gang up on me.
I'd say it's when someone's maliciously trying to change the topic. Like let's say someone doesn't like you for whatever reason, and they go into every thread you start and post about why they hate you.
Once a thread gets to 100+ posts, chances are the conversation will diverge from the original.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79If you eat out in restaurants it is really no difference. I used to own 2 different establishments in NYC. If you only knew what happened n the back!!!
My first job was a cook at a Hawaiian BBQ place. I quickly learned of the three second rule. If you break it, there is the five second rule....
Quote: sc15The only reason to not play every hand is so you lose less overall.
There are lots of reasons not to bet
every hand. People who do are usually
the losers, not the other way around.
Quote: sc15I'd say it's when someone's maliciously trying to change the topic. Like let's say someone doesn't like you for whatever reason, and they go into every thread you start and post about why they hate you.
Once a thread gets to 100+ posts, chances are the conversation will diverge from the original.
That example is pretty clear. Would you agree that most so called hijackings are non malicious and even accidental? What would a site be like if there was no hijacking? Probably a lot more needless threads. The rule goes unenforced here as it should. In my opinion. Almost forgot to add that.
Quote: ArtemisThankyou for giving us permission to continue…
You surely do not need my permission - I was merely stating that if the MODS thought about imposing sanctions on anyone
Quote: ArtemisA note to Ace...
Timing is everything. one of GN's bj dealer dumped last night, but you went home too early. The "Professor" cleaned almost all the chips from that dumping dealer's rack!
Good luck and good timing to you in your next trip.
Fingers crossed
Quote: 1BBThat example is pretty clear. Would you agree that most so called hijackings are non malicious and even accidental? What would a site be like if there was no hijacking? Probably a lot more needless threads. The rule goes unenforced here as it should. In my opinion. Almost forgot to add that.
I would say it's not even hijacking, it's just the flow of how a conversation goes.
It would be utterly boring to talk about 1 topic and 1 topic only for 100s of posts.
Quote: ArtemisI like to respond to SC15 & B79's baccarat posts, but I get a question for the "enforcers":
Since Ace's thread has nothing to do with baccarat, are the potential HIJACKERs (SC15, B79, Art, etc...) at risk for the 3-day-suspension? if so, I will not post anymore in this thread.
As always, it depends.
Some people don't care about a hijack, just as Ace doesn't seem to care here. In these cases, have at it.
If a hijack is disruptive to the thread's purpose, I will typically do one of two things; either split it so the hijack can carry on in its own thread, or issue a warning not to disrupt the current thread. Only in cases where a warning is issued and not observed does the threat of suspension come into play.
As 1BB has stated, rarely does a hijack result in a suspension. The only ones I can recall is when people started arguing and didn't heed the several admonishments to cool it.
Carry on.
Quote: Artemis
Timing is everything. one of GN's bj dealer dumped last night, but you went home too early.
I've heard stories from the 60's
of dealers who got taken in the
back room and beaten up by mob
guys when that happened. Or just
getting fired right on the floor.
Quote: 1BB
What definition of highjacking is used on this site? Is some form of highjacking acceptable while others are not? I ask these questions with a sincere effort to learn, not to have the usual suspects gang up on me.
To me, hijacking is a purposeful and disruptive stray from the topic at hand.
As has been noted, normal conversation tends to stray. The longer a thread gets, the more a "hijack" is inevitable.
Take the "When a Forum Member Doesn't Pay" thread. That's a specific thread which burned out and became a philosophical discussion about voluntarism. Typically, I'd let that go. Although it was a hijack, it wasn't disruptive as the original purpose of the thread had run its course. Really, the only reason I split it is because said philosophical discussion has pervaded many threads, so I felt it best to just create one specifically for it as sort of a containment thread, much like our "Gunshow Loophole" thread has contained all gun talk. And when the LV shooting came up, I reminded all that the thread was for the shooting specifically, and all other arguments about gun culture and control were to be taken to the containment thread.
So go forth and post without worry. All threads will veer; some come back, some come off the rails. Just use your best judgement, and accept the requests from ALL involved if hijacking is in question. If the OP dislikes it, if members involved feel it's an inappropriate hijack, then it is one. From there, we'll either split it or advise to cool it. Only a blatant disregard of advisement puts anyone in danger of action.
Quote: EvenBobI've heard stories from the 60's
of dealers who got taken in the
back room and beaten up by mob
guys when that happened. Or just
getting fired right on the floor.
Dealers still get fired for dumping a lot of money, but only if they're actually at fault for it. There's been a few times where the dealers my team has played have been fired after we got backed off, or they got their name put at the top of the list for the next round of lay offs.
Casinos also used to do crazy things though, like hire "coolers" and other ridiculous things like that.
But for the most part nowadays, the casinos are no longer superstitious..
