TR: Back in the LV groove
Quote: RSI'll run the $5k FSP for 10% :)
But seriously, just run it on video BJ. Rather take 96% with little variance than 99.54% with high variance. At least, I assume most would. And you already know BJ!
They might have better electronic BJ units than that...don't those BJ machines with the pretty electronic dealers take FSP? If he can find a 3 to 2 unit...then that would be a good call.
As for myself, I would definitely have to grind some of it off playing 3 play 8/6 Bonus Deluxe w/Double Super Times Pay for quarters (98.99%) max. Love Super Times Pay. Strategy is basically like JoB for that game too.
I definitely don't recommend something like the $5000 slot. The EV may be okay, but I recommend low variance for situations like this. Unless you're really okay getting nothing from the freeplay (I wouldn't be).
Congrats on the big prize to turn it around!
Quote: aceofspadesI will likely wait until next trip so I can study VP and obtain a strategy card
I would play it now. A $5 machine with five credits a hand will only be 200 hands. Most of these will be common sense. The one or two that you aren't sure of could still win no matter how they are played. Is it really worth waiting for a one time very small sample?
How do you even manage super-denom slots? Go to the cage, deposit, and ask them to print a ticket? The image of having to feed 50 hundreds in per pull is rather amusing though.
Quote: VenthusI just pull up the WoO site on my phone and refer to it for any non-obvious hands. (Admittedly, I prefer Deuces Wild, which an experienced player could probably manage perfectly while blackout drunk...)
JoB is still a bit easier to me...and I like to play VP drunk...lol But I have a soft spot for Deuces, why I'm not sure...I have never hit deuces on that game for quarters or higher... :-\
Quote: tringlomaneI definitely don't recommend something like the $5000 slot. The EV may be okay, but I recommend low variance for situations like this. Unless you're really okay getting nothing from the freeplay (I wouldn't be).
It seems to me with all -EV games, that you have your best chances of winning by "one spin" or only a few, but also your best chances of losing it all. That latter chance has to be taken into consideration, math be damned!
Quote: DRichAce, I live in Vegas and will pay you $4000 cash for it.
PM
Quote: aceofspadesGood morning forum - where will the day lead today...?
More BJ?
Just a wild guess :-)
Quote: terapinedMore BJ?
Just a wild guess :-)
Haha sounds about right
Quote: DRichAce, I live in Vegas and will pay you $4000 cash for it.
That's what I'd do, sell it to somebody
who can get max ev out of it.
Quote: aceofspadesHaha sounds about right
How about the old EL
Would love to hear some stories from there.
I'm not a BJ player per se , but due to reading your reports, played a ton of BJ at the El last month just for fun.
Would like to hear your impressions.
You get Limo service, take a ride to the Ol El :-)
Quote: EvenBobThat's what I'd do, sell it to somebody
who can get max ev out of it.
Getting paid 80% for it is a terrible deal though. You'd get more than that by running it thru a terrible reel slot machine.
Quote: sc15Getting paid 80% for it is a terrible deal though. You'd get more than that by running it thru a terrible reel slot machine.
In EV, sure. But variance can be a funny thing. Plus, it's easy.
Quote: RSIn EV, sure. But variance can be a funny thing. Plus, it's easy.
Yeah, but this is a guy who's playing up to $500 / hand on blackjack.
Even if he plays poorly on a good VP machine, or plays a poor paying VBJ, he can get > 95%.
Throwing away $750 in EV is way too much to save an hour of time.
Quote: aceofspadesJust lost every hand in 3 shuffles of double deck with one other player at table
Where are you at now, this was 2 hours ago.
You were down 6K last night, you have to be
down at least 8K if you lost all these hands
too.
Quote: EvenBobWhere are you at now, this was 2 hours ago.
You were down 6K last night, you have to be
down at least 8K if you lost all these hands
too.
Sat and played double deck for quite a while...could not catch a run...could not win with 20
The ridiculous number of hands where the dealer didn't bust are too many to list here
I was down 9k
I decided to sit at a shoe game and won 1k back very quickly
I am now taking a break to drink some water
Trip is now -8k
(Still have 5kFSP)
I would advise a little caution. I assume the casino has some fine print some where preventing the 5K-FSP from being bought and sold. So I would suggest:
a) contacting the Wizard and have him meet you to help with perfect play on VP ! Surely he would consult, if available, for $ 250 per hour ( ? ).
b) just print out his simplified strategy for 9/J JoB and follow that closely.
Quote: JohnnyQWow, very cool !
I would advise a little caution. I assume the casino has some fine print some where preventing the 5K-FSP from being bought and sold. So I would suggest:
a) contacting the Wizard and have him meet you to help with perfect play on VP ! Surely he would consult, if available, for $ 250 per hour ( ? ).
b) just print out his simplified strategy for 9/J JoB and follow that closely.
Of course
Aria 9/6 JOB 99.54 with perfect strategy , three 1 play Slants in the high limit room. $25, $50, $100
Gamble,100 x 5 for 500 a hand or
milk it 25 x5 for 125 a hand.
Quote: aceofspadesBut EV is not a guarantee
How can you say that and still gamble?
By definition what you're doing in vegas is not a guarantee.
Quote: sc15How can you say that and still gamble?
By definition what you're doing in vegas is not a guarantee.
Very good point - I meant as far as slots or video poker with which I have nary any experience
Quote: aceofspadesVery good point - I meant as far as slots or video poker with which I have nary any experience
Ask your host to print out a JOB 9/6 simple strategy from the wiz's odds site.
Or, if they have a business center, do it yourself.
Quote: aceofspadesVery good point - I meant as far as slots or video poker with which I have nary any experience
Yeah, but people here have already told you how to cash it out and what kind of %s you can expect :)
I'm strictly a tables APer but I still cash out my own slot play without losing more than 5% in value. (And that's with minimal studying. It's rare I get slot play so being 1 or 2% under optimal is fine w/ me)
Quote: terapinedAsk your host to print out a JOB 9/6 simple strategy from the wiz's odds site.
Or, if they have a business center, do it yourself.
I asked my host at the El Cortez to print out the illustrious 18 onto an index card for me.
It was at 7 so I didn't bet it
Ace strikes again!
leave tomorrow.
It then took about an hour to get it back plus another 250
Trip is -6250
LOL SERIOUSLY?Quote: EvenBobHead to the high limit slots and play it
down and when the 5K is gone cash
out the profit. Do NOT continue to
play once it's gone. You could walk
away with a couple grand.
it's worth far more than 2 grand without getting lucky, I would guarantee I would have above $4100 or more.
Ace I missed this.
I'm not going to start a bidding war or cut down anyone and kill the value for fellow APs, however I'm willing to participate with RS and Drich in the purchase at $4100.
It might be worth more, however there's time involved also a small risk the casino could get upset and disqualify the FP.
Quote: RSI asked my host at the El Cortez to print out the illustrious 18 onto an index card for me.
LOL
Hope the freeplay grind goes well for you Ace!
Quote: aceofspadesNot selling sorry
Absolutely not selling. Good move..
Trip is -5500
The first shuffle took 700 from me
Had a crazy hand of:
3,3 v dealer 7
Split 3 dealt another 3
Split 3 dealt another 3
First hand: 3, dealt 8 doubled got 8 for 19
Second hand: 3, dealt 7 doubled got 6 for 17
Third hand: 3, dealt 10 hit for a 5 for 18
Fourth hand: 3, dealt 10 hit for a Jack - busted
Dealer had 7, turned over and Ace for 18
Second shuffle went much better and I won 4 double downs
Trip is now -4750
Quote: EvenBobWhen does your plane leave?
I have some time -- are you seeking more schaden
Quote: aceofspadesI have some time -- are you seeking more schaden
With your slot win you have broken even,
no schaden there. The best part of visiting
Vegas is leaving Vegas.
Good variance to any final day action!
Quote: RomesNice hit on the FSP, Ace. If you don't want to share, then no worries... Otherwise, do you mind sharing your plan for it? I would assume it's simple: Find out what the best machine to play on is, and learn BS for that machine.
Good variance to any final day action!
I'm trying to decide whether or not to shoot for the moon and attempt to go home even
I did get all room and food for "free" in Vegas for a week so that should count for something lol
Quote: aceofspadesI'm trying to decide whether or not to shoot for the moon and attempt to go home even
I did get all room and food for "free" in Vegas for a week so that should count for something lol
Well that's always nice =). If you're still looking for input, my two cents would be to find the best payout JoB machine in the high limit slot area and plug away 5 coin per go (someone suggested the $5 machine as you could burn the $5k in about 200 hands). All you'd have to do is play the 200 hands using the basic strategy and mathematically you should have just about $5k when you finish =P. That being said, if you do hit something for a big win I would assume you could instantly cash out the winnings and continue to play the free play as a free roll!
When does your plane leave? Did you double check the FSP won't expire within any time fame, etc? I worry for you Ace! lol
Great too, that you don't give us any BS about incredible counting prowess and that you seem to really enjoy it, win or lose.
What I would like to know is how you record or recall your hands so well. I saw once that you mentioned using your phone. How do you do that discretely? Maybe PM me if it's something you don't want to reveal to all. I'd keep shtum :o)
Good luck with that shot at the moon.
Quote: RomesWell that's always nice =). If you're still looking for input, my two cents would be to find the best payout JoB machine in the high limit slot area and plug away 5 coin per go (someone suggested the $5 machine as you could burn the $5k in about 200 hands). All you'd have to do is play the 200 hands using the basic strategy and mathematically you should have just about $5k when you finish =P. That being said, if you do hit something for a big win I would assume you could instantly cash out the winnings and continue to play the free play as a free roll!
When does your plane leave? Did you double check the FSP won't expire within any time fame, etc? I worry for you Ace! lol
FSP expires in May of 2016
Leaving town in a few hours - awwwwww Vegas I will miss thee
Quote: OnceDearThanks Ace. Great to read your Trip reports.
Great too, that you don't give us any BS about incredible counting prowess and that you seem to really enjoy it, win or lose.
What I would like to know is how you record or recall your hands so well. I saw once that you mentioned using your phone. How do you do that discretely? Maybe PM me if it's something you don't want to reveal to all. I'd keep shtum :o)
Good luck with that shot at the moon.
The casinos have only stopped me from using phone if I am makin a phone call. Otherwise, when each shuffle is over, I make a note of the high/low-lights of that shuffle and, since I am mostly playing 2D, it is not much to remember :-)
