Mission...Vegas! (Act Two)
Post the pic up for me......That's the game and seat you left. Honestly the game was not weak. They were just gambling and bluffing way more then they should have been. The button straddled 90% of the time . It was defiantly not an easy game(just a very valuable with high variance). ABC poker would get crushed. I had to bluff bluffers and pull it off. I had to play a tremendous amount of hands and make tons of moves. Anyone passive got eaten up. It really came down to trapping well. And knowing when a guy was bluffing with worst crap then what you had. The night/day ended heads up with the Chinese guy for about 1 hr. He had about 1500 and I had about 3500. I had KK he had QQ we got it all in on the flop queen hit the river. He was happy and wanted to stop. I still had a very good night on a $200 buy in.Quote: Mission146Not me, I feel fine.
My loss was a total River suck-out, and the main reason I don't play No Limit. Instead of staying and mercilessly pounding a weak table, (which that one surely was) I get irritated and leave. Had I been playing limit and just lost a few Max raises, I'd have definitely stuck around.
That and limited cash-on-hand, I suppose, that $100 was about all I wanted to risk.
Quote: AxelWolfPost the pic up for me......That's the game and seat you left. Honestly the game was not weak. They were just gambling and bluffing way more then they should have been. The button straddled 90% of the time . It was defiantly not an easy game(just a very valuable with high variance). ABC poker would get crushed. I had to bluff bluffers and pull it off. I had to play a tremendous amount of hands and make tons of moves. Anyone passive got eaten up. It really came down to trapping well. And knowing when a guy was bluffing with worst crap then what you had. The night/day ended heads up with the Chinese guy for about 1 hr. He had about 1500 and I had about 3500. I had KK he had QQ we got it all in on the flop queen hit the river. He was happy and wanted to stop. I still had a very good night on a $200 buy in.
Exactly, bluffing way more than they should have been = weak game. I don't have the pic anymore, though it should still be on your phone. I deleted all of my text messages and phone calls before I went home, obviously I didn't do anything questionable, but by deleting everything you prevent the possibility of anything ever being misinterpreted. I don't like answering questions, especially those that shouldn't need asking.
That's basically what happened, I trapped the guy with the inside fours because he led out with a $15 bet, I have no idea why the guy between us called. It was just a River suck-out, textbook, run-of-the-mill, but that's No-Limit Poker for you, and that's why I only play that game in tournaments. I had both players thoroughly dominated in the hand and should have made a bit over $200 on that one.
Again, I'm not upset about it anymore, time to reflect. I made the right play, they both made the wrong play, they needed to, "Get lucky," I needed to not be, "Unlucky," and I got unlucky. If I didn't want the possibility of that happening, then I don't sit at the table. I saw a player at that table that I felt was too drunk to remember his own name and wanted to focus on him, but everyone soft called pre-flop, and I ended up with a great hand after the turn.
I did the responsible thing by not buying in for more, and then again by not playing Craps later. I'd have been worse than the guys at that table had I bought back in while that thoroughly PO'ed.
Quote: Mission146I had a grand total of 34 drinks Sunday
Jesus. That puts my bar tab to shame. I mean, I can put them away, but 34?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceJesus. That puts my bar tab to shame. I mean, I can put them away, but 34?
34 in about 17 hours. Thats only 2 an hour. We have done 34 in an evening before, but then again I am a fat guy so it takes a lot more for me.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceJesus. That puts my bar tab to shame. I mean, I can put them away, but 34?
34 of anything over any period of time and I'm d.e.a.d :)
Nice report Mission, enjoyed the shennanigans.
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Nice report Mission, enjoyed the shennanigans.
As did I, thanks for the compliment!
not sure it works exact that way, I know you burn 1 normal drink per hr, but it seems by the 8th hr a lot would have been built up.Quote: GWAE34 in about 17 hours. Thats only 2 an hour. We have done 34 in an evening before, but then again I am a fat guy so it takes a lot more for me.
Quote: Mission146February or March '15, haven't decided yet, but not April...too hot.
It's funny you say that, because just a couple of weekends later at the WoV meetup, it was actually pretty chilly for the first 2 days. It even rained on Saturday, the horror!
Mission, I noticed that 2 places gave you some grief for short rolls at the craps table, one even mentioning that you were "setting" the dice. Were you intentionally going for some short, influenced rolls? I only ask because I've never been given grief for this. Maybe because I don't play a lot of craps downtown, but usually it's just a polite "please hit the back wall" if I miss once or even three times in a row.
It's the dice setting variation of how Pascal explained his deliberate choice to believe in God.
What's the best part about a Math coffee mug? Answer: It's huge!!!
Quote: Mission146Of course it was intentional! Pascal's Wager. My theory is that dice setting probably doesn't really effectuate anything, in which event, doing it would neither help nor harm me. In the infinitesimally possible event that Flying-V combined with a short roll is helpful, then I'd be helping myself.
It's the dice setting variation of how Pascal explained his deliberate choice to believe in God.
Heh, okay then! I enjoy playing too much to invite getting kicked off the table, and I definitely don't think trying to influence the dice will help me at all.
You or anyone else.Quote: AcesAndEightsI definitely don't think trying to influence the dice will help me at all.
Quote: AxelWolfYou or anyone else.
Actually I'm more agnostic on the subject of dice influencing...I'm open to believing that someone, somewhere might be able to do it given enough practice and the right conditions. But knowing myself and my dismal level of hand-eye coordination, that person is never going to be me.
Quote: geoffBut there is also an equal chance that the flying-V combined with short roll is harmful.
I don't believe that's correct if one assumes that dice setting causes the dice to remain on-axis more than usual, again, I don't actually assume that...Pascal's Wager.
Quote: Mission146I don't believe that's correct if one assumes that dice setting causes the dice to remain on-axis more than usual, again, I don't actually assume that...Pascal's Wager.
Mission, are you applying for FrGamble's vacant position on the forum ?
Quote: AcesAndEightsActually I'm more agnostic on the subject of dice influencing...I'm open to believing that someone, somewhere might be able to do it given enough practice and the right conditions. But knowing myself and my dismal level of hand-eye coordination, that person is never going to be me.
I have met someone that I truley believe could influence the dice. However along with aces and eights I don't believe I could ever do it. Still doesn't stop me from setting the dice and it's funny when they start telling you to back up after you've made the same number several times in a row.
Quote: Mikey75I have met someone that I truley believe could influence the dice. However along with aces and eights I don't believe I could ever do it. Still doesn't stop me from setting the dice and it's funny when they start telling you to back up after you've made the same number several times in a row.
Telling you to back up? Never heard that one...
Quote: Mikey75They said I was to close to the stick. I wasn't leaning against him or even toward him. I was in the first position on the table beside him. Anyway they said I was reaching to far past him when I threw.
They are a paranoid bunch those tables folks :)
Quote: Mission146That's another reason I like doing it, I find it amusing that the crew (apparently) has a much stronger opinion of the efficacy of dice-setting than I do. I'm just waiting for, "Excuse me, sir, but we're going to need you to shoot with your left hand instead."
Hopefully surveillance is watching the craps players closely. I have money to make...
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: Mission146That's another reason I like doing it, I find it amusing that the crew (apparently) has a much stronger opinion of the efficacy of dice-setting than I do. I'm just waiting for, "Excuse me, sir, but we're going to need you to shoot with your left hand instead."
Hopefully surveillance is watching the craps players closely. I have money to make...
We have better things to do like to watch Lemieux and his action :)
(Sorry Lemmy, I couldn't resist) LOL
+1Quote: TomspurQuote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: Mission146That's another reason I like doing it, I find it amusing that the crew (apparently) has a much stronger opinion of the efficacy of dice-setting than I do. I'm just waiting for, "Excuse me, sir, but we're going to need you to shoot with your left hand instead."
Hopefully surveillance is watching the craps players closely. I have money to make...
We have better things to do like to watch Lemieux and his action :)
(Sorry Lemmy, I couldn't resist) LOL
But Sir, that's my beer and smoke hand.Quote: Mission146That's another reason I like doing it, I find it amusing that the crew (apparently) has a much stronger opinion of the efficacy of dice-setting than I do. I'm just waiting for, "Excuse me, sir, but we're going to need you to shoot with your left hand instead."
I'd like to know what made them so paranoid. Some joints are just insane. I played there one other session with a different dealer and got the same hassles as before. There are to many places I can lose my money without being hassled. I determined they wasn't getting my money and haven't played there since.
A while back I meet a guy playing poker that I was sitting next to. He, After losing a few pots on some bad plays, told everyone at the table he was good card counter and made money every time he played in Vegas. He said this was meaningless to him (I knew this was BS) He explained He had a few good spots to play. He told us he got 86'ed for counting and crushing them one night at one of his good spots(I have a feeling it was for being rude). Being nice I said, "oh that's to bad. "He said," Fk'em, they are not getting my money".
I couldn't resist saying " that's strange you would use that phrase, I thought you were getting their money?"
I'm not foolish enough to believe that I can play craps and come out ahead in the long run. I do enjoy playing though and I can't help but "set" the dice when I shoot.
Quote: Mikey75Lol. All these comments are funny. Thing is I didn't make hardly anything off of that roll. I was playing red with a single red in odds. There was one other player at the table when I joined. He wasn't to happy because I was at "his" table. After the dealer asked me to back up, I tossed and had one die roll all the way to the back wall but it didn't touch the back wall. Of course immediately I got "the dice have got to hit the back wall" treatment. The other player at the table tell the dealer to kick me off of the table. The dealer says "if he does that again I will". Now I'm not a person that enjoys or likes confrontation. This was the only time I've ever had a confrontation with a dealer.
Forget that!
One of the dice on the next roll goes into (or over) the rail if that's me, then I'd shrug and turn to the complaining player with, "I'm sorry, just making sure it got there..."
The one place in Vegas that has always let me have my fun without so much as a peep about short-rolling is the otherwise notoriously sweaty El Cortez. I have probably had as many rolls as not have at least one die fail to hit the back wall, and I have never heard a word from the crew.
Now, if a place that has gained notoriety for being one of the sweatiest casinos on Earth for card-counting thinks there is so little (read: nothing) to dice-setting as to allow someone to be alone at the table and short roll for over an hour, why should all of these other casinos be so concerned about it?
