Revel Atlantic City: Pai Gow Tiles Trip Report
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Some notes: Revel's house way is very weak, which favors the player. H10 7 9 H6 was set as 6-6, not H5-H7, H10 9 L10 H6 was set as H6-L9, and there was another house way involving H10 and L10 that I forgot. Floor told me there were very few exceptions such as 7-9 instead of 8-8, and that Caesars properties have a stronger house way.
Player cannot pre-pay 5% commision, player can bank combined total if playing 2 hands.
As for results, I played for 1 hour, won about $1,000, tipped the dealers $20. The most memorable hand was winning with 5 H6 H7 L8 against H10 11 L10 H2. Another nice push was when I was banking, was dealt 5 7 H10 L2, and pushed against H10 7 Gee Joon.
I would estimate that I played 40 hands, so $6,000 in action, half of that with a player edge of 0.20%. Estimated theoretical loss of $40-$50. Was comped $13.00, for a kickback rate of around 30%. Comps can be immediately converted to free slot play at 1:1, which is nice. I chose to buy a $30 dining passport for 10 comp dollars at the box office.
I also had JB's optimal strategy page loaded on my iPod in case I needed to "step away from the table" to check an exception.
There were always 2 or 3 floor people watching the game closely. As sodawater mentioned, the dealers would occasionally misset a hand and the floor would correct the dealer.
I'm staying here all weekend, so will update this thread. Overall a great, smoke-free experience at Revel.
The initial PGT table "attract mode".
They really dropped the table max to $1000? That seems super low. When I was playing it was $25 min, $1500 max. Compare to Borgata at $20 min, $10,000 max.
Not that the max applies to me, but wondering what they are so afraid of with the max bet so low.
Nice note on the weaker house way. I think they did want to make it even simpler than the Caesar's house way.
Quote: chaunceyb3H10 7 9 H6 was set as 6-6, not H5-H7
It is better for the house to set that hand as 6/6, even if the player is banking.
Quote: chaunceyb3H10 9 L10 H6 was set as H6-L9
As the dealers and managers become more familiar with the game, they will eventually realize that playing the H10 in the high hand is better with H6-L10-H10-(7|L8|9) and update their house way accordingly.
Quote: chaunceyb3Floor told me there were very few exceptions such as 7-9 instead of 8-8, and that Caesars properties have a stronger house way.
Even as a player using optimal strategy, there is only one combination where you favor 8/8 over 7/9 (7-L8-L10-11).
Quote: chaunceyb3I also had JB's optimal strategy page loaded on my iPod in case I needed to "step away from the table" to check an exception.
Glad to hear it!
11 5 H2 L2
4 6 7 H8 (Player Banker)
L10 L2 L4 H4
and I'm up around $150 right away. Then an older gentleman sits down with roughly $30K worth of chips and I'm thinking, does this guy post on WoV? I never actually ask him, but he told me he came from the dice table. He's betting purples but agrees to bank every other hand with me. He ends up breaking even and leaves. I play heads-up for a half hour more and cash out a $700 winner (bought in for $1,000). I tip the dealer Eduardo $15 and cash out.
I was rated a $125 average bet for 1.5 hours, and comped $16.00, which is comparable to the afternoon session. I'm guessing we played 50 or so hands. The table max I noted this time was $1,500. Many curious people from (I'm guessing) HQ nightclub stopped by to observe.
Overall for the trip I'm +$1,700. aceofspades where are you at? :)
Quote: chaunceyb3Evening session starts with 3 straight exceptions from JB's optimal strategy:
11 5 H2 L2
4 6 7 H8 (Player Banker)
L10 L2 L4 H4
and I'm up around $150 right away. Then an older gentleman sits down with roughly $30K worth of chips and I'm thinking, does this guy post on WoV? I never actually ask him, but he told me he came from the dice table. He's betting purples but agrees to bank every other hand with me. He ends up breaking even and leaves. I play heads-up for a half hour more and cash out a $700 winner (bought in for $1,000). I tip the dealer Eduardo $15 and cash out.
I was rated a $125 average bet for 1.5 hours, and comped $16.00, which is comparable to the afternoon session. I'm guessing we played 50 or so hands. The table max I noted this time was $1,500. Many curious people from (I'm guessing) HQ nightclub stopped by to observe.
Overall for the trip I'm +$1,700. aceofspades where are you at? :)
Great wins Chauncey - I am laying withsome friends at their room at Bally's - not sure whether I will venture to Revel but let's try to meet up
Now playing in the poker room on the Mezz level. 5 guys with Ocean level cards at my table (I'm only beach tier). I assume they have a little bit of disposable income. Every hand is multiway, even in raised pots. $1/2 game has a $500 max buy-in, so let the deepstack poker begin!
The non smoking seems to be a significant feature for many. Just as in Biloxi, the Palace touts its smoke free atmosphere and seems to have a loyal following. Some of the assumptions such as Gamblers Always Smoke Like Chimneys may be falling by the wayside but for the nonce I hope we can focus on the Tiles and not the Tobacco.
Quote: chaunceyb3ace- definitely!
Now playing in the poker room on the Mezz level. 5 guys with Ocean level cards at my table (I'm only beach tier). I assume they have a little bit of disposable income. Every hand is multiway, even in raised pots. $1/2 game has a $500 max buy-in, so let the deepstack poker begin!
Chauncey---Ocean is the beginner level
Ocean - lowest
Beach - middle
Pearl - high roller
Quote: aceofspadesChauncey---Ocean is the beginner level
Ocean - lowest
Beach - middle
Pearl - high roller
You know what I mean, ace! The card that's all shiny and holographic!
+$1,665 for the trip (lost $35 playing poker last night)
Another Pai Gow Tiles session coming up. Same clothes, same sneakers, same contact lenses, same watch, same hairstyle. Let's gamble.
Quote: aceofspadesYou going to be at Revel all day?
Most likely. Also going to be playing Spanish 21 again unrated (I didn't mention this yesterday), then playing some poker later tonight.
Lette is the dealer. Currently down $300. We'll see what happens.
Now sitting with about $2,250. $150 average bet, banking every other hand. Mark is the dealer. Frank is supervising the game.
H7 H7 H2 L7
L4 L4 5 H4
JB's equity calculations, please!
$150 average bet, 2.0 hours played, $23.00 in comps earned. Again, seems consistent with yesterday's numbers.
Trip is +$1,670.
Quote: chaunceyb3One of my confederates has alerted me of an AP opportunity in a nearby casino. Also, a $30K blackjack tournament at Showboat. Cashing out $2,505 after tipping the dealer $15. Will be back to Revel later.
$150 average bet, 2.0 hours played, $23.00 in comps earned. Again, seems consistent with yesterday's numbers.
Trip is +$1,670.
If you will check the dna skin cells on those chips, you may find traces of aceofspades.
Quote: BuzzardQuote: chaunceyb3One of my confederates has alerted me of an AP opportunity in a nearby casino. Also, a $30K blackjack tournament at Showboat. Cashing out $2,505 after tipping the dealer $15. Will be back to Revel later.
$150 average bet, 2.0 hours played, $23.00 in comps earned. Again, seems consistent with yesterday's numbers.
Trip is +$1,670.
If you will check the dna skin cells on those chips, you may find traces of aceofspades.
Lol - i'm posting an update in the Ace and AC? thread
Next stop, Showboat for the $10K first prize they held for me. Then back to Revel.
Second pair-pair of the day. I'll take it.
Trip is +2,220.
Quote: chaunceyb3Bought in for $1,000, cashed out $1,550, with a $50 average bet, but didn't bank at all (3 other players at the table). Played for 2 hours and was comped $17.00. Perhaps the comp system takes into account player banking?
Trip is +2,220.
Nice! Keep it up! I' m back at Big Bally's
Nobody ever deletes their history from the in-room Cisco tablets... apparently, one guy who stayed in my room 2 days ago loves gay porn and ball gags, and is a fan of ICP. Nice to know.
Other tidbits I overheard or have been told:
-Surveillance "doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on in Pai Gow Tiles". Makes sense then to have 2 supervisors constantly watching the game.
-A noodle bar will soon replace Amada bar area, the dining area right behind Pai Gow Tiles, Pai Gow Poker, and mini-baccarat. Seating for 15 is planned and 8-10 dishes will be offered.
-A smoking section is a real possibility, and will be a small gaming area with 15 tables in or near HQ nightclub.
-Expectations for the summer is high once all the nightclubs and restaurants are open.
Plus, according to dealers and supervisors, aceofspades is a legend!
Quote: chaunceyb3By the way, when I checked in on Friday, I snuck a glance at REVELations, Revel's internal daily briefing/newsletter. For Thursday, occupancy rate was 88%, with 891 check-ins and 789 check-outs. Not sure what this means, but hope it's a good sign. Wikipedia says Revel has 1399 rooms.
Nobody ever deletes their history from the in-room Cisco tablets... apparently, one guy who stayed in my room 2 days ago loves gay porn and ball gags, and is a fan of ICP. Nice to know.
Other tidbits I overheard or have been told:
-Surveillance "doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on in Pai Gow Tiles". Makes sense then to have 2 supervisors constantly watching the game.
-A noodle bar will soon replace Amada bar area, the dining area right behind Pai Gow Tiles, Pai Gow Poker, and mini-baccarat. Seating for 15 is planned and 8-10 dishes will be offered.
-A smoking section is a real possibility, and will be a small gaming area with 15 tables in or near HQ nightclub.
-Expectations for the summer is high once all the nightclubs and restaurants are open.
Plus, according to dealers and supervisors, aceofspades is a legend!
Damn I never delete my internet history!
Chaunceyb - i've heard those same rumours about the smoking section as well
Also, a legend hmmmm don't believe everything you hear lol (although I'd love to know what they said lol)
Quote: MrVThe face(s) on the felt at the BJ table: who is it / are they?
From what I can make out (from left to right), Justin Timberlake, Dean Martin?, Cher, Whoopi Goldberg?, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe.
ace- Most mentioned you give a lot of action. "[high-powered | divorce | family] attorney" got thrown around. One floor mentioned your reality TV appearance. Another voiced his displeasure with you as a person for some reason. All in all, generally positive reviews!
Revel AC trip is officially now over. +$2,255 Pai Gow Tiles, -$35 Cash Game Poker, +$60 DirectBets.
Quote: chaunceyb3From what I can make out (from left to right), Justin Timberlake, Dean Martin?, Cher, Whoopi Goldberg?, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe.
ace- Most mentioned you give a lot of action. "[high-powered | divorce | family] attorney" got thrown around. One floor mentioned your reality TV appearance. Another voiced his displeasure with you as a person for some reason. All in all, generally positive reviews!
Revel AC trip is officially now over. +$2,255 Pai Gow Tiles, -$35 Cash Game Poker, +$60 DirectBets.
Another trip to Atlantic City has already been planned! More Pai Gow Tiles, plus Blackjack Switch. Any other suggestions?
Quote: chaunceyb3From what I can make out (from left to right), Justin Timberlake, Dean Martin?, Cher, Whoopi Goldberg?, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe.
ace- Most mentioned you give a lot of action. "[high-powered | divorce | family] attorney" got thrown around. One floor mentioned your reality TV appearance. Another voiced his displeasure with you as a person for some reason. All in all, generally positive reviews!
Revel AC trip is officially now over. +$2,255 Pai Gow Tiles, -$35 Cash Game Poker, +$60 DirectBets.
Great weekend of winning for you chaunceyb!!!
When is your next trip?
How did my name even come up in conversation - or did you make inquiry?
as for the pit boss's displeasure with me---would love to know what they found unpleasant about me?
(if you don't want to say who it was and what they said in the thread you can PM me as I will then get to the bottom of things as I am not sure bad mouthing players behind their backs is good customer service)
Great meeting you!!!
Next trip will be either this weekend, March 1-3 or the next. Staying at Revel.
$100.00 slot machine pull, one time?
See you soon!
Quote: chaunceyb3ace- I made one comment to the floor: "he's a high roller, isn't he" and then everybody chimed in! One floor says to another "oh that's that attorney, K--, right?" mentioning your last name. A pit boss (guy sitting down at the computer) mentions your reality show on TV. Was he googling? Anyways, the guy who was displeased with you, I couldn't make a joke to him either.
Next trip will be either this weekend, March 1-3 or the next. Staying at Revel.
$100.00 slot machine pull, one time?
See you soon!
Did Mission put you up to the $100 slot pull?
Next time we will make the $100 slot pull and video it for Mission!
Got to love casino gossip lol
