UCivan
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May 25th, 2012 at 6:02:41 PM permalink
Need math help. Where can I find the % that a player pushes the dealer, for 1 deck, 2 deck, 6 and 8 deck regular BJ games. Thanks in advance.
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May 25th, 2012 at 6:51:43 PM permalink
The Wizard has some of the pushes that you mentioned - I'm not sure if there is a more comprehensive list. Go to:-

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/

to give you a general idea.
RoyalBJ
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May 27th, 2012 at 10:33:30 AM permalink
The push rate is somewhere around 8-9%.
7craps
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May 27th, 2012 at 11:50:42 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Need math help.
Where can I find the % that a player pushes the dealer, for 1 deck, 2 deck, 6 and 8 deck regular BJ games.

6 decks can be found here

Standard deviation in blackjack
8.48%
and here (added)
Standard deviation in blackjack-6deck-no-surrender
8.78%
I have not seen numbers for the others. Probably close.

Maybe qfit has some data
I would start here
qfit ebook blackjack

Let us know if you find the info
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Zcore13
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:30:45 AM permalink
The push rate is not 8%-9%. Most push side bets pay 10-1 so obviously they would not pay at a loss. I believe a push occurs about 11% of the time.

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RoyalBJ
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:36:01 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

6 decks can be found here

Standard deviation in blackjack
I have not seen numbers for the others. Probably close.

Maybe qfit has some data
I would start here
qfit ebook blackjack

Let us know if you find the info

See Standard deviation in blackjack. To be exact, 0.084787, or 8.4787%
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:37:59 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

The push rate is not 8%-9%. Most push side bets pay 10-1 so obviously they would not pay at a loss. I believe a push occurs about 11% of the time.


I think you have your logic backwards. With a 10-to-1 payoff for a push:

If the push rate is 8% the house edge is 12%
If the push rate is 9% the house edge is 1%
If the push rate is 11% the player edge is 21%
Boney526
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:46:24 AM permalink
Also, with a 10-1 side bet payout (of half your primary bet), you'd change your strategy optimally, lowering the House Edge. At least - I remember reading something on the subject. The strategy changes basically come down to more aggressive hitting on some plays, to give you a better chance at being between 17-21, which the dealer has to get to tie you.
7craps
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:50:19 AM permalink
Tie Bet
A specific hand total Tie can pay more than 10 to 1. It would be a different bet.
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RoyalBJ
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May 31st, 2012 at 8:51:41 AM permalink
When a side bet calls for a change of play strategy, this side bet is most likely to be DOA. No casino operator wants to mess with player's change of play strategy.

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