trade info

I got barred from a new table game in Asia in a medium size plus casino. EV is at least 200 USD per hour.
Happy to trade info for another game. Anyone keen, PM me. If you have made a few good post here before, I will tell you my game first.

I play Keno in Las Vegas. I only.play the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. I always seem to win. Fortunately, I have not been barred but fear that it is only a matter of time before the casinos catch on and kick me out for my high rolling keno ways. I am guessing my EV is about $201 per hour, but do not have the math to prove it.

Please now share with me your game.

Hey i paid $499 for that keno system. Have you forgotten the pledge to never reveal the system to others?

Quote: AceFodder

I got barred from a new table game in Asia in a medium size plus casino. EV is at least 200 USD per hour.
Happy to trade info for another game. Anyone keen, PM me. If you have made a few good post here before, I will tell you my game first.

Interesting concept. You perceive that there is someone on this forum who has beaten a casino game, and continues to do so, and will trade that information for another game to beat. The few AP plays mentioned here, BJ card counting, 3 card poker hole carding, and +EV VP all I think fall far short of the $200 per hour positive EV. But I'm giving you all 3 for your one.... You can PM me yours.... But is it only at one casino in Asia?

Please tell me it was not at Mandarin Oriental Macao ??

Quote: AceFodder

EV is at least 200 USD per hour.

(coffee is ejected thru my nose in stunned disbelief)

Never a webcam around when one is needed !

The reason he claims to have been barred is that then you can't tell him to go get rich playing his system rather than trying to hawk it to the gullible.

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A $200/hour play in that region is not only completely conceivable, it's pretty meh. For someone who is already in the area, it's possibly a decent trade, depending on other factors (if the OP got barred, then the play is inherently less valuable; i.e., the casino can identify the play and will take measures to stop it). But for the kind of AP that would travel to play a game overseas, $200/hour is probably not going to cut it. And no offense to anyone here (I really like this forum), but the WoV forum is probably the least likely place to get the response you're looking for. Good luck!

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

$200 an hour, thats all. Even a purple betting 3cp AP is worth over $500 an hour. I'll pass.

Before anyone gets any half-smart ideas, this is not really true (for reasons that Ibeatyouraces already knows). And even if it were, the swings involved in such a play are beyond ridiculous for even seasoned APs. I have no illusions of being one of these seasoned APs, but really, you can trust me on this one. The magnitude of frequent losses betting purple on this game would be enough to give just about anyone nightmares of chips going up in flames and felts turning blood red as a demonic dealer reveals yet another Ace-blank-blank hand to defeat your Jack-high.

Quote: AceFodder

I got barred from a new table game in Asia in a medium size plus casino. EV is at least 200 USD per hour.
Happy to trade info for another game. Anyone keen, PM me. If you have made a few good post here before, I will tell you my game first.

I know a bet that gets paid everytime on the roulette table. They won't kick you out. How strange.

You bet every number everytime and you will alway get paid.

AceFodder, tell me your system. Is it better than mine?

Quote: LonesomeGambler

but the WoV forum is probably the least likely place to get the response you're looking for. Good luck!

I agree, he needs a forum where the really 'smart' players hang out..

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Quote: LonesomeGambler

And no offense to anyone here (I really like this forum), but the WoV forum is probably the least likely place to get the response you're looking for.

Actually I think you just gave the forum a big compliment.

PS: we need to have a poll, which is the best sounding scam?

*a player who retired after making millions with his system has decided to teach it now to me now that he has cancer

*I got banned after discovering a game is +EV with my system, but *you* could go in there and clean up with it

*I got banned after discovering a new table game is +EV due to bad design. I'll trade you for your secret info.

I would vote for the last one except for that trading thing. All I've got for him is the Martingale!

Quote: odiousgambit

PS: we need to have a poll, which is the best sounding scam?

No no no. The best scams always always involve
an old dying Chinaman. He tells his secret on his
death bed. It always clinches the deal.

Quote: AceFodder

I got barred from a new table game in Asia in a medium size plus casino. EV is at least 200 USD per hour.
Happy to trade info for another game. Anyone keen, PM me. If you have made a few good post here before, I will tell you my game first.

I've got a guaranteed money making scheme that involves the docks and sailors. Not particularly desirous of implementing it myself, but judging by your post, I'm guessing you have the skill-set to make it a real winner.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

$500 x 3.48% x 30 hands per hour = $522 an hour and thats on the slow side. Sure there will be large swings up and down in this particular game but these figures should be long run averages, even is the dealer temporarily crushes you.

If you're playing anywhere near purple on this game (which would be an outrageously bad idea at your local joints), you should know what important factors you're omitting in your calculation. And what's the point, anyway? Encouraging non-APs to take up this particular game based on a seriously optimistic figure thrown out without regards to the punishing consequences of such a play? Even if your average 3CP player were making anywhere near that, I wouldn't recommend it. But I'm not interested in discussing sensitive information like this any further, nor should you be, in my opinion.

Quote: EvenBob

I agree, he needs a forum where the really 'smart' players hang out..

Quote: odiousgambit

Actually I think you just gave the forum a big compliment.

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that my post was meant to be derisive. It has nothing to do with being "smart" or belittling the gambling efforts of people on this forum. I simply meant that this is a forum primarily focusing on -EV gambling, peripheral gambling-related activities, and gaming math. There's nothing wrong with any of those topics, and in fact, that's why I spend as much time looking at this forum as I do other forums that are solely AP-related. But as a result, this forum also sees tons of system sellers and progression players, so everyone smells a scam at the first mention of a trade.

Trading information is not an uncommon practice, especially if a player has been 86'd from a particular opportunity. A forum focusing on topics other than serious AP-related topics is probably not the most likely place to find someone willing to reciprocate (or even take the OP seriously), however. Like I said, this opportunity is likely only valuable to people based in that region. Airfare is expensive, and time is even more expensive than airfare.

Opportunities exist all over the world but we don't hear about them because they are closely guarded secrets. We don't know the OP. He could be a system seller or he could have a grudge against the casino and possess legitimate information.

He wanted to trade but he also stated that he would tell the game first to anyone who has made a few good posts here. Did anyone bother to PM him? I didn't think so.

Not to worry, after getting the typical new member welcome he probably won't be back.