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LonesomeGambler
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April 17th, 2012 at 10:12:26 PM permalink
As long as we're making sweeping generalizations, I'll say that young female dealers in general are almost always the most friendly and pleasant, by a wide margin (Asian or otherwise!).

To me, the rudest dealers are toke hustlers. This generally takes two forms: the dealer who complains about you "not playing the right way" (e.g., you didn't play the -7% sucker bet so they didn't get an outrageous 20% toke when you hit the longshot bonus payout), and the dealer who treats you rudely because you're winning and not toking a large enough amount relative to your win. The former category are obnoxious but ultimately tolerable; dealing with them is simply part of the game sometimes. The latter group are absolutely awful!

Consider a scenario where a table is filled with table-minimum bettors. Six of the players at the table are toking a combined $30/hour, while a seventh player (who is betting table max at 100x the table minimum) is toking $30/hour all by themselves. The dealer is making an additional $60 an hour (not bad!), half of which is directly a result of this seventh, table-max player, but since the toke rate is so small in relation to his average wager (6x the toke amount of the table min bettors, but 100x the wager), he is seen as a stiff by the dealer (who then openly talks bad about the player when they leave the table). The amount of work done by the dealer is the same as if the seventh player was also betting the minimum, but since he's betting big, the dealer feels entitled to a larger portion of their money! I'm all for taking care of the crew (within reason), but these people get my vote for the rudest dealers in the casino.
AlanMendelson
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April 17th, 2012 at 10:27:12 PM permalink
I've never had problems with any dealers on any game in general but I stopped going to Mandalay because of one table crew at craps -- and only that table crew. I was the only player at the table and they had no interest in being there. Since I was the shooter even the stickman was too busy talking to anothher dealer to return the dice after a roll. The dealer on my side of the table took his sweet, slow time to make payoffs, but mostly stared off into the distance.

Placing a pass bet for the dealers as I scored passes made no difference. finally just took my chips and left.

I had played there before and never had that trouble. Perhaps it was because it was three young guys more concerned with looking at the gals than the game. Though, every table crew always takes time to look at the gals passing by and there's nothing wrong with that.
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April 18th, 2012 at 4:54:35 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

...every table crew always takes time to look at the gals passing by and there's nothing wrong with that.

I've had crews not only take a moment to watch the girls walk by, but made sure all the players knew to watch the parade.
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boymimbo
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April 18th, 2012 at 5:19:03 AM permalink
The rudest dealers in the casino I think you can't define by game, but by demographic. I'll say, older men are the rudest dealers.

As for the dealers pressing the sucker bets with the high payout on you, that's their job. And, in terms of variance, it is the "best" game. If you are a casual gambler going to play for an hour, and there to have a good time, I would encourage the sucker bets because at least you have a decent chance of walking away with some significant money and get a thrill. I mean that most gamblers who are there for entertainment are there to waste a little money and perhaps win a jackpot. 90% of people at the casino on a weekend night are probably there with a budget of $100 or less and are just churning away their budget at a slot machine or a table game that they don't understand the rules to. So have them put the money on the high advantage bet and maybe they'll leave lucky.
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FleaStiff
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April 18th, 2012 at 6:43:21 AM permalink
>The rudest dealers in the casino I think you can't define by game, but by demographic. I'll say, older men are the rudest dealers.
You could be right but I think the defining factor is the boxman. Dealers are as rude as the boxman allows.

>As for the dealers pressing the sucker bets with the high payout on you, that's their job.
That is a part of their job ... the stick's patter emphasizes the sucker bets. "It came easy, bet it hard" Remember, however, that it is merely a part of the job. The Dealer usually recommends a Field Bet to the neophyte.

>I would encourage the sucker bets because you have a decent chance of walking away with some significant money and a thrill.
Hear!Hear!! Too many people on this board will carry the math out to four decimal places before they decide which is the better bet.
Many of the bettors are sloshed or slightly sloshed and on their way to getting more liberally sloshed, its a "fun night" and they left their slide rule at home so they can't do that four decimal places stuff anyway. They are not there to get maximum "utility" out of anything; they are there to get maximum fun out their bankroll and whatever broad they either brought with them or have so far encountered. If they had brought the slide rule, they might stay at the table for an hour of PL and Full Odds, but with the broad they are only going to stay for half an hour of sucker bets. They are going to leave with full pockets or empty pockets but no darn slide rule and no darn memory of making sensible bets. Right now they want to have fun. They will deal with aspirin tablets and each other's names later.
LonesomeGambler
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April 18th, 2012 at 8:43:48 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

As for the dealers pressing the sucker bets with the high payout on you, that's their job. And, in terms of variance, it is the "best" game. If you are a casual gambler going to play for an hour, and there to have a good time, I would encourage the sucker bets because at least you have a decent chance of walking away with some significant money and get a thrill. I mean that most gamblers who are there for entertainment are there to waste a little money and perhaps win a jackpot. 90% of people at the casino on a weekend night are probably there with a budget of $100 or less and are just churning away their budget at a slot machine or a table game that they don't understand the rules to. So have them put the money on the high advantage bet and maybe they'll leave lucky.

I've made the argument before that casual gamblers would likely enjoy their experience more by placing high-variance wagers, but I disagree with nearly everything else you said. Let's say you're playing "Fleece 'em Poker" and you didn't put any action on the -8% "Money Burner" side bet. A lot of dealers will openly chastise you at the table for not playing the bet because you "wasted" the big payoff when all those other poor saps are dutifully handing their cheques over after a few seconds escrow on the layout, patiently waiting and dreaming about the day that they'll hit that same hand.

You propose that these dealers are somehow fulfilling some sort of professional duty by encouraging players to wager on bets that are the most damaging to them, but then you go even further to suggest that this may be some sort of altruistic move to help gamblers enjoy gambling more! The fact is that the vast majority of this type of dealer has one thing in mind: this jerk doesn't bet the Money Burner, so I don't get an unrealistically massive toke when he finally hits a big bonus hand.
teddys
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April 18th, 2012 at 9:03:00 AM permalink
Quote: LonesomeGambler

Let's say you're playing "Fleece 'em Poker" and you didn't put any action on the -8% "Money Burner" side bet.

ROTFL
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vendman1
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April 26th, 2012 at 10:30:20 AM permalink
As someone who has Asians from several different countries in my immediate family (including my son)...let me try to shed a little light on why Asian dealers might be the rudest (women especially), and yes I realized generalizations are dangerous. But they are sometimes Generally :) true.

Culturally speaking, asian's overall (especially the Japenese or Chinese in my opinion) have a lot of loyalty to their employers. That would be the casino obviously ...so they might have a tendency to be a little unfreindly to the average player...they see the player as someone trying to take money from their employers and feel it's there job to protect the cash. Taj Mahal in AC seems to have a lot of this from my observation. Just a thought...but there might be something to it.
ewjones080
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April 26th, 2012 at 11:09:33 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson



I had played there before and never had that trouble. Perhaps it was because it was three young guys more concerned with looking at the gals than the game. Though, every table crew always takes time to look at the gals passing by and there's nothing wrong with that.



I'd like to think that in general I'm a much better craps dealer than anything else. Blackjack is simply boring for me, and I don't think I hide it well. I rarely get to deal the carny games on a regular basis. Craps though is my game of choice when I play, so that's part of it. It's more dynamic and exciting so I'm generally in a better mood.

But where I work, there isn't much of a game most of the time, so it can still get boring. But again most of the time I'm engaged into that game. I can actually soft hustle some bets out of people. Once a guy threw in $5 chip said all the hardways, the base was getting ready to hand off a dollar (because he knew the guy was betting just one) I asked "Heavy what?" and he said 8 (his point).

Just the other day it was late at night, this young girl game to the table and asking if she should play this or a slot machine with her $9. I said well a higher denom. machine will eat your money rather quickly, while penny slots you won't win much. I convinced her to shoot the dice (only player) and she managed to climb up to $25 bucks before losing it.


And when I see a hot girl walk by, then behind me, and I see the guy checking her out, I'll make a joke that if I can't look, you can't look. They usually get a chuckle. And once there was this gorgeous blonde in an orange dress walk by the craps table. I said to the crew "Orange is my new favorite color." They got a laugh, but I don't think the players heard or knew what I meant.
NicksGamingStuff
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April 26th, 2012 at 2:27:09 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

As someone who has Asians from several different countries in my immediate family (including my son)...let me try to shed a little light on why Asian dealers might be the rudest (women especially), and yes I realized generalizations are dangerous. But they are sometimes Generally :) true.

Culturally speaking, asian's overall (especially the Japenese or Chinese in my opinion) have a lot of loyalty to their employers. That would be the casino obviously ...so they might have a tendency to be a little unfreindly to the average player...they see the player as someone trying to take money from their employers and feel it's there job to protect the cash. Taj Mahal in AC seems to have a lot of this from my observation. Just a thought...but there might be something to it.



I am the opposite, I tell the players that I want them to win because the casino does not share its profits with me. Some players when losing badly say I am cheating them so I will get a cut. I tell them if dealers got a cut of the casino profits we would be driving mercedes and I would not be living in an apartment.

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