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EvenBob
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March 26th, 2012 at 5:54:45 PM permalink
The burn out rate for dealers and hair stylists is about
the same, 7 years. Stressful jobs dealing with the public.
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sunrise089
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:05:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Without a doubt for me its Asian women. No matter what
they're dealing. I always get called a racist when I say this.
So what, am I supposed to pretend its not the way it is?
Asian women dealers have 'attitude' if you're not Asian,
you can cut it with a knife.



I don't play baccarat or other Asian-marketed games, so I can't speak to how common it is to actually be treated in a racially insensitive manner (aka being treated differently because you're a white player at an "Asian" game) by dealers of those games.

But with blackjack (I don't recall many female Asian craps dealers) I think Bob can have a point without it being racially biased. I think there are a lot of factors involved:

*I'm a relatively young, white, male player. If you're older, Asian, and female we probably just have less in common to talk about. Of course she might be a huge college football fan like me, or I might love her favorite author, but both of us are unlikely to find those points of common interest in a short time.

*The fact that the dealer is a woman just suggests certain demographic things. Those things further suggest the gig is more likely to be a career and not a fun short-term job, and hence something to take more seriously. I predict young party pit Asian females at hip casinos don't have the attitude issues Bob has described.

*The dealer just may not have great language skills. Her attitude and intelligence may be fine, but it may just be tedious trying to make conversation.
winmonkeyspit3
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:11:24 PM permalink
It bothers me a little bit when I come across a dealer with weak language skills. I respect them for finding work, especially as a dealer which provides a decent salary and opportunities to move up, but I just feel that in that profession you have a certain expectation to interact with the customers, at least a little bit, to enhance their experience, if that is so desired by the player. Most everyone (unless a card counter perhaps) likes to hear the "good luck on your ace, nice pull, etc." as they are playing. If nothing else at least smile and be pleasant, but don't sit there like a brick wall.
Tiltpoul
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:18:06 PM permalink
It's so funny to hear people rag on women Asian dealers. I find them to be most pleasant, and the older ones are often the most fun. As for a game (or group of games), I can't really vote, because it just depends on the casino. For example, if you read my blog post, one of the rudest dealers I've encountered was on a Pai Gow Poker table, by myself, who didn't even acknowledge my presence when I walked up to the table. However, most PGP dealers are very friendly.

Asian table games (white, Asian or whatever) dealers also tend to be very friendly, especially to a young white male like myself. Poker dealers work for tips directly, so most of them are pretty good. I would say in general, strip casinos have the rudest dealers (Cosmopolitan excluded completely, Caesars casinos mostly excluded). Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, IN has the rudest dealers overall of anywhere I've played in the Midwest. Bellagio blackjack dealers are probably the worst.

So I guess Blackjack would get my vote, but only because I can't think of any game where they are generally rude.
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Wizard
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:24:06 PM permalink
Quote: NicksGamingStuff

It is a bit racist, but Asian women dealers in my experience have been the most unfriendly. The nicest dealers have been in their early twenties regardless of race. I guess those are not burnt out yet.



In my opinion, the Asian men are worse than the Asian women. I do agree that the younger dealers tend to be friendlier.
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EvenBob
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:38:35 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

In my opinion, the Asian men are worse than the Asian women. .



I've not experienced many Asian male dealers, but
male players are usually unfriendly, so it makes
sense. Many Asian women dealers are friendly
with Asian players and treat the white players like
they have a wad of dog crap on the bottom of their
shoe. Its a general prejudice in Asia against whites
thats been around forever. We're on inferior race to
them.
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ShiftyRicky
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:40:44 PM permalink
As current casino management, in table games...i thought i would get it on this. I am also a player..of all games. I have to agree that Older Asian Females seem to be some of the the rudest. I too think it has to do with the language and age barrier and the common intrests barrier. Most of all, dealers that deal 100mph and try to play your hand for you, as in "your not going to double?" or already having my card out before i signal, really gets on my nerve.

As management i understand the speed thing...but come on, it is not enjoyable. There is a pace that is good for both parties. My dealers are instructed not to give unsolicited advice. All my dealers must pass a common Basic Stategy test. We do this so that players that are new to the games are able to learn the game and enjoy it better.( it never fails when a new player asks "should i hit my 13 against your 6"..and the dealer tells them"no" and has to explain it them, the sdealers always make hands then. lol)

Okay, someone asked about players...where do i start. lol. Most players are friendly and are very easy to deal to. On the other hand, the Fun Drunk is better than the Rude non drinker, the Rude Drunk is worse than the player who hasn't said a word to a dealer since Nixon was in office, Bachelor and Bachelorate parties should stay at the bar or club, and the best people to deal to.....MIDDLE AGE anyone. These people are great they like to have fun, don't sweat the money real bad and are usally not bad tippers.(of course all the above become the best when they are great tippers.)
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EvenBob
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:44:36 PM permalink
Quote: ShiftyRicky

the Rude Drunk is worse than the player who hasn't said a word to a dealer since Nixon was in office,



Why is that. I was in the bar business and I
loved customers who never talked. Drunks
are the worst, they're unpredictable.
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sunrise089
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:47:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why is that. I was in the bar business and I
loved customers who never talked. Drunks
are the worst, they're unpredictable.

You may have read that wrong Bob. Ricky is saying good drunk > grumpy sober and separately super quiet guy > bad drunk. So I think you're in agreement that bad drunks are bad :)
toastcmu
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March 26th, 2012 at 6:49:06 PM permalink
I voted for the carnival games - the few times I've played 3cp or LIR, I get a dealer who just wants to deal, not make any small talk, and burn through as many hands and my money as possible.

I agree that with Asian dealers, it's luck of the draw. Being half-Asian, maybe I get a little bit of slack. However, the Filipino woman at Main Street who dealt Pai Gow Poker takes the cake. So talkative and interested in her table, she stuck around talking for 10 extra minutes before she even took her break after her relief arrived. She was raking in the tokes that night.


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