Rudest dealers in the casino

I do not play Craps very often, but in the limited time I've spent playing Craps, I've had a few great dealers and a couple of very crappy ones.

I don't know what it is, but it seems that the Craps dealers (more than any other dealer) are always trying to rush you along, even when you're the only one at the table! I play the wrong way and take the odds. That's all I ever do, with the exception of betting Any Craps with, "Free Money," that I find in slot machines in the course of playing the slots. If I'm playing Craps to play Craps, though, it's always Wrong Way taking the Odds.

They're just so pushy, after they take their sweet time re-gathering the dice and everything like that. I don't know what it is, they're just always staring at you intently looking a combination of exasperated and angry. I'll admit that sometimes I like to shake the dice for...five seconds...tops...and look around the floor to see if anything interesting is happening. I'm not hurting anyone, I only look around when there's nobody else at the table. I make my bet within two seconds after awin or a loss. It's always the same bet.

I don't see why I should feel rushed. If there was someone to hold up at the table, that would be one thing.

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On the flip side, I love the Roulette Croupiers. Those guys/gals are like a personal fan club!!! They're always enthusiastic, and one of them gave out a, "YES!!!" when I hit a four-corners (Corners around Black-29) bet and it came B-29. I painted the corners with $5.00 chips, and I said, "You know what, you just got yourself one of those corners, forty dollars, for the dealer!"

I wish I could play Roulette more often, but the odds are so abyssmal. I guess the EV is better than most slot games, but still, they made the Table Minimums $15.00 on Roulette now and it's typically not negotiable. I don't want to have to go to the Poker Tables, which is what I do when I get down too far, so I have to stay away from those kind of minimums. It's a shame, because EVERY LAST Roulette Croupier I've ever had has been fantastic.

If you are the only one at the table and feel rushed then the crew is probably on the Early Out List and want you to leave so they can leave.

They are supposed to keep the dice moving since that is how the house makes its money but if there are only one or two people there they should relax the pace a bit, even on the Strip where the pace is usually the highest in town.

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If you are the only one at the table and feel rushed then the crew is probably on the Early Out List and want you to leave so they can leave.

They are supposed to keep the dice moving since that is how the house makes its money but if there are only one or two people there they should relax the pace a bit, even on the Strip where the pace is usually the highest in town.

It's a shame if that is the case and people aren't allowed to tell you stuff like that. I'd go over to the other table for them if they wanted to get done for the night.

It is always a mystery how casinos make decisions about opening and closing tables. Usually an Early Out List is posted and dealers sign it if they want to be released at six hours into a shift or something. If a craps table is utterly dead they may want to go home and their worst fear is that some guy will wander over and want to play just long enough to screw them and then leave. Usually they are not allowed to indicate this to the public but if you sense they are chafing at the bit and rushing you, that can be the reason. They want you to leave so they can be sent home.

It is of course wrong for the employees to take their desires out on a customer who is just there to shoot craps for awhile but it does happen.

i do not let the dealers set the pace of any game where i am playing.
they can try everything they want to hustle things along, doesn't matter.
i have even told dealers that i am going to play at my own pace.
they usually chill out once they realize that you aren't going to back down.
rude dealers are fine by me, i don't feel a tinge of guilt about withholding tips.

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It seems that the Craps dealers (more than any other dealer) are always trying to rush you along, even when you're the only one at the table! I play the wrong way and take the odds.

I play similarly and have experienced that pressure. In addition to some of the other reasons here, an important one would be the extra vigilance required when the dice are out. That means that the crew can't be scanning the passing scenery or chatting or whatever.

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FleaStiff

Wrong, perhaps, but understandable human emotion that is scarcely controllable for many. If I get the feeling that I am being rushed, then I'll move over to the table with two+ players if the Table Minimum is the same. If it is not, I'll just go to do something else. I'd hate to hold people up over a $10.00 tip, max, barring an unbelievable run of the dice.

I suppose I will be shooting less if there are more people, giving me plenty of time to look around. Basically just place my bet and wait for chips to be added or for my chips to be taken off the table.

WongBo

I don't know. I can understand if they don't want to be held up over a likely paltry $10.00 gratuity.

I don't personally understand their motivation for wanting out of there at all, I believe you make more money (as a dealer) by being there longer, but to each their own.

SanchoPanza

I understand that. It's not really about being watched, it's just the attitude, sometimes. I'll usually fire right out if I have made the point a four or a ten, but I usually will take a few seconds if it is a six or eight.

I am about to eschew complete nonsense, but I like to take a second, calm down, and wait until I, "Feel," a seven about to come out of my hand.

It is nonsense, but it's nonsense that can't adversely affect my odds in anyway, so I go with it.

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I don't think it could be narrowed down by game, and I haven't put up with enough rude dealers to really notice where they come from. All this thread has done is remind me why I do my real gambling in a keep-your-own state. Move over one table when the tip hustling starts. Move back when the dealer comes (or keep moving forward) and it sends a clear message. If called on it, and you don't feel confrontational, you can easily feign superstition.

For the record, I had zero rude dealers this trip. I think that's remarkable given I gambled for 12 days straight.

I think it helped that on every session I tipped early. I know it helped when I tipped the craps dealers $5 after the $1 hardways bet failed to hit.

In my experience, poker dealers.

WARNING: RECREATIONAL GAMBLERS WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS POST!

I know it's considered proper etiquette to tip dealers and well advised for recreational gamblers, but for a professional poker player, tipping is expensive.

This is especially true if you tip as aggressively as the recreational players do like every pot win.

I have been harassed and solicited for tips at the table, when it's abundantly clear dealers aren't allowed to solicit tips.

Next time a dealer tries to solicit tips from me or harass me for being a stiff, I'm reporting them immediately to the floor manager.

Dealers, stay away from my wallet, and I won't jeopardize your job.

My opinion on tipping is in line with Colin Jones of Blackjack Apprenticeship: Treat it as a business decision, not an emotional or aesthetic decision.

Side note: In my opinion, I think my skill level is high enough to beat the rake at smaller stakes, but I don't have enough data to conclude that with certainty.

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I get along with all dealers. And I don't harbor the superstition of some players that changing the dealer somehow changes anything. Or that it is harder to win with certain dealers.

But even the house seems to think that changing the dealer might change something. On a night when I was playing single deck blackjack and won something like sixty some hands in a row, the house changed everything as often as it could - decks, dealers, etc.

If you've ever watched The Cooler there were at least some years ago well before my time such shills on the floor, the point being that the house really believed in them.

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But even the house seems to think that changing the dealer might change something. On a night when I was playing single deck blackjack and won something like sixty some hands in a row, the house changed everything as often as it could - decks, dealers, etc.

If you've ever watched The Cooler there were at least some years ago well before my time such shills on the floor, the point being that the house really believed in them.

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There are definitely still supervisors who believe in that nonsense. I can't help but roll my eyes when I see it in action today. You'd think people would know better by now.

True.

But, how about this. Say some player is on a monster run winning every single hand of Baccarat in a row. Pit bosses have told me of such runs where someone has taken a fistful of dollars to a million. I myself have taken 100 to 20K, and 200 to 11K before. So the player is winning every hand - somehow getting each hand right. Some drunken fool (or a very hot chick) plops onto the table and starts betting against that player. You think that's not going to throw the player off? At least, if I were a casino owner I'd think that introducing anything new to the scene might change the winning streak. Old time casino owners must have thought the same.

But the difference is that nowadays the casinos have figured out that over time they win anyway, and don't need to do anything special about the few big winners who go on monster runs.

After 1,000 hrs of play. I only had maybe 4 rude dealers. Kinda rare.

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True.

But, how about this. Say some player is on a monster run winning every single hand of Baccarat in a row. ... Some drunken fool (or a very hot chick) plops onto the table and starts betting against that player. You think that's not going to throw the player off? At least, if I were a casino owner I'd think that introducing anything new to the scene might change the winning streak. Old time casino owners must have thought the same.

Note: Quote trimmed by me for brevity. Context remains intact.

Any casino boss that thinks that's an effective ploy on Baccarat, of all games, is an abject moron. The only potential change is scaring off your big player and saying bye-bye to that money.

(Any such casino boss that is a member of this board is excluded from this statement, but I'd sure like to hear them try to justify that.)

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But the difference is that nowadays the casinos have figured out that over time they win anyway, and don't need to do anything special about the few big winners who go on monster runs.

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Bingo. Let them win, and start thinking about how you're gonna get them to come back tomorrow. Fire up the comp machine.

To be clear, I'm agreeing with you. My tone may not suggest that, but I believe we're on the same page.

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In my experience, poker dealers.

WARNING: RECREATIONAL GAMBLERS WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS POST!

I know it's considered proper etiquette to tip dealers and well advised for recreational gamblers, but for a professional poker player, tipping is expensive.

This is especially true if you tip as aggressively as the recreational players do like every pot win.

I have been harassed and solicited for tips at the table, when it's abundantly clear dealers aren't allowed to solicit tips.

Next time a dealer tries to solicit tips from me or harass me for being a stiff, I'm reporting them immediately to the floor manager.

Dealers, stay away from my wallet, and I won't jeopardize your job.

My opinion on tipping is in line with Colin Jones of Blackjack Apprenticeship: Treat it as a business decision, not an emotional or aesthetic decision.

Side note: In my opinion, I think my skill level is high enough to beat the rake at smaller stakes, but I don't have enough data to conclude that with certainty.

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You're handling g of the situation will end up costing you more in the long run.


ZCore13

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won something like sixty some hands in a row,

No you didn't.

What reasons would a casino have to exclude poker game patrons who discreetly rat out the dealer for breaking the casino's own rules aka soliciting a tip?

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What reasons would a casino have to exclude poker game patrons who discreetly rat out the dealer for breaking the casino's own rules aka soliciting a tip?

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I didn't say you would get banned. Players will dislike you, dealers will dislike you, floors will dislike you. That will end up hurting you in the long run.

And if you can't overcome $5 -$10 an hour (depending on the stakes) in tips, you're not a good professional player anyway.


ZCore13

Sounds like there is a tradeoff for everything.

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I didn't say you would get banned. Players will dislike you, dealers will dislike you, floors will dislike you. That will end up hurting you in the long run.

Are you saying a dealer should be allowed to solicit tips without repercussion?

It's possible that by reporting that dealer to the supervisor, you're doing the dealer a favor. The supervisor may write the dealer up or suspend them, whereas if any undercover gaming agent hears what the dealer is saying, the dealer's license may be pulled without any warnings at all.

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Are you saying a dealer should be allowed to solicit tips without repercussion?

It's possible that by reporting that dealer to the supervisor, you're doing the dealer a favor. The supervisor may write the dealer up or suspend them, whereas if any undercover gaming agent hears what the dealer is saying, the dealer's license may be pulled without any warnings at all.

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Unless they are harassing you with multiple comments or exciting players, you just ignore it. But if you report every dealer that says anything, like it seems like he was saying, you're going to make things more difficult than a $1 tip every 10 minutes is worth. If the dealer is harassing you, you're better off leaving the table and talking to a supervisor so other players aren't involved and don't have an opportunity to enhance the story to fit their narrative. Calling the floor over to every table this happens at is a recipe for disaster.


ZCore13

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What reasons would a casino have to exclude poker game patrons who discreetly rat out the dealer for breaking the casino's own rules aka soliciting a tip?

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I didn't say you would get banned. Players will dislike you, dealers will dislike you, floors will dislike you. That will end up hurting you in the long run.

And if you can't overcome $5 -$10 an hour (depending on the stakes) in tips, you're not a good professional player anyway.


ZCore13

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I can see where this might not be good for him if there ever has to be a ruling made regarding a pot.

I dont know that it will hurt his wallet in the long run, for one, he is saving money by not tipping that will should more than makeup for any possible bad ruling he may encounter. If the players don't like him that can be beneficial as well, if it causes people to make bad calls while trying to bust him, or if they avoid playing hands that he is in and they fold things they should have played. I used to know some old guys who played poker daily at the same few locations who never tipped it seemed as if they were liked by the staff and players all the same. I will say that those guys were super rocks that usually only entered posts with AK, AA KK so they rarely won any posts.

In Australia it's not permitted to tip. It's seen as a potential bribe for a dealer! Tipping is also not customary for most things here. As our society mimics the British in a lot of ways, because we were colonised by them, Britain may also not allow tipping? British posters may know?