3 card poker opinions

Might play some 3 card poker in a couple of weeks at the Greenbrier in WV. They have that but not pai gow poker. So if I am not in the mood to play BJ or Craps [the latter is evenings only anyway], might try 3CP. Sure looks simple enough. I'm a little worried that I could be mistaken, that since no real skill is involved it is in fact not a good game for bankroll preservation like PGP. Any opinions are certainly welcome.

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It is absolutely not a good game for bankroll preservation. I used to love it, now I won't sit down at it.

With flashing dealers often revealing the hole card, the player often has an advantage so 3CP should be favorably regarded.

If the game has the most favorable Pair Plus pay schedule, then the game is enjoyable, although I'm not sure it's exactly the best way to make a bankroll last a long time. That table is 40-30-6-4-1, with 40 for a straight flush, 30 for a three of a kind, 6 for a straight, 4 for a flush and 1 for a pair. I'm not sure that Greenbrier would have that schedule, as the other casinos in WV all have the worst schedule, 40-30-6-3-1.

If you're not playing the Pairs Plus, your money will last longer, but be prepared to hear from dealers and players when you hit any kind of paying hand, and especially when you hit a pair or better that loses. YES, I KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK!!!! But trust me, that's one game where not playing the bonus will get you chastised.

The game doesn't require too much skill, so it's pretty easy, some might say boring. I don't play it much anymore.

Know what you mean! This game is fun! I have hit a straight flush a couple of times, as well as three-of-a-kind once, all of which when I had a pairplus bet out! Use caution though, it can eat through your bankroll quickly. I've pretty much stopped playing, myself.

Funny story - about two years ago, my wife and I stopped by a New Mexico casino, and were playing blackjack at their shoe game. Across the pit was this gentleman playing TCP, betting quarters on the ante and the pairplus. He had been grinding away at the game about as long as we played blackjack. When we decided to take a break, as we were leaving, my wife wanted to play a few hands of TCP, as she still enjoys playing the game. The wife sat down at an empty seat to the right of the gentleman playing TCP and put nickels down on the ante and the pairplus. On the very first hand, she caught a straight flush and began celebrating her win. The gentleman playing quarters, and whose hand that would have been, was polite enough to acknowledge the win, but was understandably not too happy. The wife played a few more hands, toked the dealer, and we were gone. As a fellow gambler, I felt the guy's pain on that, even though the wife got lucky!

I can't find my "gambling 102" book to save my life. It has the skinny on flashing dealers it seems.

I guess I have to check it out but I will give up on the idea of sitting at a table for hours [too bad, of course it can be a nice escape]

I like 3CP, a fun little ditty. the poop on the game is here.
You see, while I know all the math as a game designer, I do gamble for recreation, which is the point of gambling. For fun, I gamble at dice, PGP, and yes, 3CP, without apology.

If you gamble to have a good time, you might do well with 3CP; no guarantees as with any game, but yeah, it can be a fun game.
If you gamble to seriously expect income from it, or to run afoul of casino house rules by openly hole-carding, you might earn a well-deserved bad trip, - my position based on gaming industry experience.

I'm just saying:
1. know why you're in a casino, and
2. what you're doing, both in terms of house edge and house rules - then:
3. You may have some fun doing it.

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OK, you got me to look at the WoO description of the game. I'm confused. This is not a good thing when you all say this is one of the simplest games. I have to stop admiting these things. Oh well.

If the HE on the ante is 2.01% and is 5.57% on the pairplus and the pairplus bet is optional, why not just bet the ante only?

Also, are there really games around in Las Vegas for $0.05 or $0.25 per bet? It would seem one could last a while without much invested at that rate.

Quote: pecogg

Know what you mean! This game is fun! I have hit a straight flush a couple of times, as well as three-of-a-kind once, all of which when I had a pairplus bet out! Use caution though, it can eat through your bankroll quickly. I've pretty much stopped playing, myself.

Funny story - about two years ago, my wife and I stopped by a New Mexico casino, and were playing blackjack at their shoe game. Across the pit was this gentleman playing TCP, betting quarters on the ante and the pairplus. He had been grinding away at the game about as long as we played blackjack. When we decided to take a break, as we were leaving, my wife wanted to play a few hands of TCP, as she still enjoys playing the game. The wife sat down at an empty seat to the right of the gentleman playing TCP and put nickels down on the ante and the pairplus. On the very first hand, she caught a straight flush and began celebrating her win. The gentleman playing quarters, and whose hand that would have been, was polite enough to acknowledge the win, but was understandably not too happy. The wife played a few more hands, toked the dealer, and we were gone. As a fellow gambler, I felt the guy's pain on that, even though the wife got lucky!

Downtowner, nickels and quarters are $5 and $25.

I've hit more straight flushes than I have fingers and toes, and I've hit 3 of a kind on back to back hands, and almost all of them have been betting quarters.

And I won't play the game any more. Because for every story I have like that, I have far, far too many where I sat down with $500 or $700 and blew through it all without even getting a pair.

By the way, the best 3 Card pay table in the US is at Borgata in AC, and it's not on 3 Card. It's the 3 Card bonus bet at Let It Ride, and it pays 50-40-30-6-4-1; 50 on a mini royal.

And 40-30-6-3-1 isn't the worst 3 Card pay table, it's just the worst common one. Hollywood Casino in Harrisburg PA pays 35-25-6-3-1.

Most bonus or side bets in the casino have a higher HE than the main game. People like to play them for the chance of the big payout. If your goal is to last a long time then you are probably best to avoid the pairplus. When not playing it you will get a lot of nagging from the dealers and even other players, especially when you hit a big hand.

I have never seen a 3CP machine but I am sure someone here will know if they exist. The lowest table I have seen is $5.

Quote: jml24

Most bonus or side bets in the casino have a higher HE than the main game. People like to play them for the chance of the big payout. If your goal is to last a long time then you are probably best to avoid the pairplus. When not playing it you will get a lot of nagging from the dealers and even other players, especially when you hit a big hand.

I have never seen a 3CP machine but I am sure someone here will know if they exist. The lowest table I have seen is $5.

Shufflemaster makes a 3 Card machine with an electronic "Playboy bunny" dealer. It pays 40-30-6-4-1 in most casinos, with a $5 minimum, but obviously it can be set for anything.



Without the big payout the game is boring. All the fun is in the few seconds between when the cards are dealt and the signal to look is given, when they represent big potential. But nothing sucks more than picking up a 10-7-2 salad, or worse, Q-7-4 salad or something like that, where it's just over the limit for a bet but low enough that it's probably going to cost another $25 to learn that.

Quote: Mosca

Shufflemaster makes a 3 Card machine with an electronic "Playboy bunny" dealer. It pays 40-30-6-4-1 in most casinos, with a $5 minimum, but obviously it can be set for anything.

If it's set for a good pay table, I'd play it. 3 years ago I played a similar machine at the Sahara, but for BJ. I found the video dealers annoying, but otherwise it was fine.

Quote: Mosca

By the way, the best 3 Card pay table in the US is at Borgata in AC, and it's not on 3 Card. It's the 3 Card bonus bet at Let It Ride, and it pays 50-40-30-6-4-1; 50 on a mini royal.

I was there in December... they've changed theirs. It's now 100-50-40-6-3-1, with 100-1 for the Mini-Royal. That's better than anywhere else in AC, and it's better than most of America, but that 3-1 on the flush is killer.

Quote: downtowner

If the HE on the ante is 2.01% and is 5.57% on the pairplus and the pairplus bet is optional, why not just bet the ante only?

Most APs for this game don't play the PP bet. You still get an ante bonus for StrFlush (5-1) and 3ofK (3-1) and also a Str (1-1).

Quote: Tiltpoul

I was there in December... they've changed theirs. It's now 100-50-40-6-3-1, with 100-1 for the Mini-Royal. That's better than anywhere else in AC, and it's better than most of America, but that 3-1 on the flush is killer.

Tilt, were you playing Let it Ride? The 3 Card Poker is 100-50-40-30-6-3-1, but Let it Ride is 40-30-6-4-1. We were there in November.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'm there [in a casino] to make money, plain and simple.

This is a pipe dream. The casinos have a positive income, because their players mostly a negative income. This is the reality.
The "I'm Special because:"
- "I'm a winner,' or
- "I got a system," or
- "the [house] rules [like: no counting or no hole-carding] don't apply to me!"
are symptoms of the "I'm a winner" denial, or "I make the casino rules" denial.

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"I can play these games w/ a HE at home for FREE!"

Yes you can. But this is Not a real casino.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

"Hole carding is NOT against the rules."

Yes it is. Casinos will tell you this, and may even detain you. You don't tell them the rules - they tell you.
What you're thinking of is DEALER FLASHING, which is not the player's fault, but instead the dealer's fault. This is different.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

"If a casino has a flashing dealer, FIX or FIRE them. Dont blame the player.

I agree fully.
Again, Dealer flashing is different than hole-carding. As for me I tell on flashing dealers.
Good luck finding one.

Quote: Mosca

Tilt, were you playing Let it Ride? The 3 Card Poker is 100-50-40-30-6-3-1, but Let it Ride is 40-30-6-4-1. We were there in November.

The 3-card poker game is, and since the thread is about 3-card, I figured that was the Pair Plus Table you were talking about. I didn't notice LIR. There are a few casinos out there that still use the old 40-30-6-4-1 on LIR, so that doesn't surprise me.

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A pipe dream my ass! Dan, you have no frigging clue what your're talking about as usual. Finding a flasher IS hole carding and have found many. Kicking me out is fine but detain me and I will make sure you go out of business.

I have a spot-on pulse as to what is and what is not acceptable in the gaming pit. From six years in front line casino pit operations, and four years in sucessfully getting new tables games out, I've got spot-on info on what is and is not viable/acceptable in accordance the casino's house rules.

1. Do something against house rules (card counting, hole-carding), etc, you get backed off without apology; gone, goodbye, good riddance. Above that, or in the hole-carding actions where found to be player instigated (not "dealer flashed"), it may be criminal in the eyes in gaming law, with surveillance tape as evidence. This is different than dealer flashing error, where the dealer may be apprehended as working as an agent with the player.
2. If you do anything nominally illegal (using devices as part of hole-card, pinching or capping checks, past-posting, marking cards, sliding dice, to the point where it violates a gaming law), you can be detained for arrest on this basis, complete with arrest record and mug shot. Sue them for their nerve if you want. This destroys a corporate resume, and kills the value of college degrees earned. People have done some things on a lark not only to find out casino cheating can be illegal, but that it's hard to obtain continuous employment or continued casino play if arrested and blackisted.
Years ago a kid from San Diego was playing blackjack at the Wild Wild West casino, and just decided to cap bets when the dealer busted a hand, so as to be paid more on the win. Surveillance let him deliberately carry this act twice on tape, and called Metro for an arrest action. Good for them, always nice to see a surveillance crew doing thir jobs. The dealer there (who was sloppy), was fired, and the kid was brought to a Metro Station for arrest processing, obtaining a permanent police record. He has a permanent criminal record on casino fraud, his degree is worth nothing now, and has a tough time getting a job at a higher status than being a Pizza hut driver. All because he was slick, tried some ballsy shit for laughs and giggle at a small casino on a trip to LV from San Diego, and his pipe-dream of being an advantage player being able to brag how he got over turned his life upside down,gave him a hard lesson and black eye.

Personally, if you have trouble being able to go to a casino for some gambling and fun times without feeling compelled to pull off some shit, you might have some issues that are not gaming related. Let's say to try a scam......
3. The fact of the matter is that you probably won't ever to be able to live a jet-setting lifestyle a la Richard Marcus being a petty shot taker or casino cheat, whether for ill-gotten gains that you would be so proud of, or for bragging rights like it means anything. And hole-carding is a bigger loser of an AP play than counting, which is making no one rich, famous, of esteemed in this business for sure. If you can't get your juice from straight and clean casino play according to both the rules of the game and following the rules of the casino house, then you indeed have some issues that'll doom you in gaming, either as a career, or as a player of any prestige. Card-counting, hole-carding, pinching and capping, past-posting, marking cards, et all, are all juvenille "wannabe" attempts to be something sharp or above the ordinary when it is all petty-theft tiddly-winks type crap that casino supervisors don't tolerate. as for:

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Kicking me out is fine but detain me and I will make sure you go out of business.

Don't think so, Lucy. Get caught and arrested and booked for casino cheating if you really tried it, the only things that'll go out of business is your employment, marriage, and life as you formerly knew it: what would your boss say? "Dig that orange jump suit?" Missed you when you were in the joint? or "Boy, you rap sheet adds such an elelment of cool to our dull accounting firm...." Not likely.

I just never viewed pulling scams on casino business or getting 86-ed for busted for this kind of crap as a gaming life-enhancer, - or even the real way to play these games in the first place. How would you explain a needless misdemeanor or felony to your boss, or a job loss to your wife? by saying, "Well, watch ME put THEM out of Business, AHA! - Steve Winn and all!" They'll think you a petty casino cheat with delusions, and employers and family may be concerned about you. If you get detained and arrested for casino theft or scamming, some may say they have a right to book you for doing that kind of crap in a casino. I would do so in a second on jury duty, and so would a lot of others in this town.

The people who know how it really works say that if you get backed off, just say "Fine, Sorry, I'm going," then go and get on with your life. It's just the Smartest thing to do when being faced down a shift manager and two security guards who will escalate the situation on you if need be.

And if you don't think I have a clue about this business, (trust me, I do) then, by all means, I dare you to give your maneuvers and scams a work-out at a real casino - and report back to us here your wonderful experiences of it. I know I'm all ears. Let's see Richard Marcus chime in at this board.

Nareed's umpteenth Law of Vegas (I'm too lazy to look up the number):

The Paigowdan Principle: The probability that a discussion of 3CP or advantage play on WoV will eventually degenerate into a flame war about hole-carding is proportional to the length of the thread.

Is having one's head down on the felt and drooling in order to see the dealers undercard considered cheating? lol.

P.S> Drooling is part of the AP's cover to act drunk, j/k lol

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Nareed's umpteenth Law of Vegas (I'm too lazy to look up the number):

The Paigowdan Principle: The probability that a discussion of 3CP or advantage play on WoV will eventually degenerate into a flame war about hole-carding is proportional to the length of the thread.

Oh, yes, absolutely must go on the list!

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'm there [in a casino] to make money, plain and simple.

This is a pipe dream. The casinos have a positive income, because their players mostly a negative income. This is the reality.

I have to respectfully disagree with Dan...
I can play 10/7DB with a high degree of proficiency to get at least 99.99% payback, all the while earning .335% in comps are a full 2% cashback (then on top of THAT, the free rooms, VIP events/parties)
I play recreationally...but I know a guy who plays professionally this same scenario (I only put through $40k per month and get $800 cashback, he puts though $50k and gets $1000)

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'm there [in a casino] to make money, plain and simple.

This is a pipe dream. The casinos have a positive income, because their players mostly a negative income. This is the reality.

I have to respectfully disagree with Dan...
I can play 10/7DB with a high degree of proficiency to get at least 99.99% payback, all the while earning .335% in comps are a full 2% cashback (then on top of THAT, the free rooms, VIP events/parties)
I play recreationally...but I know a guy who plays professionally this same scenario (I only put through $40k per month and get $800 cashback, he puts though $50k and gets $1000)

Okay - good point. The expert and smart players - who DON'T resort to shenanigans, and who use smart and legitimate play are absolutely A-okay in my book - MORE power to you, I mean it.

But anything related to hole-carding when the dealer is not flashing [read: the heads-down desperate drooling B.S.], as well as caping and pinching bets, marking the cards, sliding dice, etc. - are all nowhere, assinine, and disgraceful dirtbag casino scheming ploys; it's all just freaking desperate and shameless, it really is, and it speak volumes of the endorsers. Obviously, gambling hall and casino operators have a right to clamp down and eliminate such ridiculous and needless dirty bullshit, it's just really hard-up no-class cheating ploys really that are met with a security escort right off the premises, to blacklisting via the surveillance networks, to criminal charges, - depending on how hard-up, utterly classless, desperate, and criminal the casino offense is.

You wanna use best strategy play on Jacks or better or DB, - that's fine, righteous even. Playing best strategy at table games - also excellent.
Hole carding on Three Card Poker is about as unacceptable and as classless as holecarding anyone in a poker room. For that you can get shot, and it would be understandable to some.

And yes, when I see gamblers essentially discuss and openly endorse ways to essentially be low-life cheats [and heads-down drooling or using a 'pinky mirror" to hole-card an otherwise clean table game is such a low-life activity], then it is in the same catagory of scheming up ways to sneak tupperware into a Buffet to rip off a food service operation, and I may openly point this out. You'll call it flaming if you disagree, thinking these actions are acceptable and classy, cool.

I will say this: If this board cannot have a discussion of three card poker with adding some sort of a "cheating is okay" tone, I will ALWAYS add a "cheating is not okay" point-out.

Believe me, there a lot of advantage players who fudge some clean, by-the-book methods with some criminal or unethical methods, - not realizing that they wandered into a grey area where they have crossed the line, being in the "all advantage play is your friend" mindset. See it all the time.
For that matter, there are juries who have heard from a defendant on the witness stand say in all and utterly honesty, "I cannot see how it was rape when she was simply unconscious!! I mean, she did not resist, right - now did she? [and this is technically true...] So HOW can it be wrong? I just Do Not See It!"

Likewise, this: "Well, even though I am NOT supposed to know the dealer's hole cards by the rules and by ethical fair play, so if I manage to take a look by some means or method - and get away with it - I Do Not See How That it is Somehow Wrong!"
And again, the speaker is not lying, and in full honest belief of his position when he said it. It makes no sense, until it finally makes sense.

Edit: Before you people go nuts, I am comparing here only crinimal or unethical activity - to other nefarious activity, - where the actor just does not "see it' or 'get it' as wrong. People go to great lengths to justify what is in their advantage, rationalizing that "if it feels right it is right," and can and do indeed sometimes lose the boundary of right and wrong in countless areas. Cheating is wrong, even if it gives you an advantage, and it feels good to do by your standards. If I was not caught, and it was not seen, then...it was not wrong - is the thinking we all fall into all too easily.
I also believe as fact that the majority of us believe that fudging and cheating on our taxes is not wrong, is okay, and is an issue not to lose a second of sleep over. we will even brag about that.

Sort of interesting how things might not sink in right away.

I have been playing the Wizard's free game for a while. At first I'm thinking the smart play is not to make the side bet, right? Practically the Gospel here. Then I figure out that if the pay table is right, the side bet has a better HE than the main game. That this is an exception to the "no side bets" rule is not emphasized. But I can see what you guys meant now. Of course the Wizard's game has the best pay tables and you do the side bet there.

So now not only is it clear that you play the Pair Plus bet [or if paytable is wrong just don't play], plus you cross your fingers and hope you see 3-of-a-kind or a straight flush dealt to you. Without that, it is the old "wobbly bankroll circling the drain" as you watch it dwindle, dwindle, dwindle. When it gets to the point you won't get back to starting bankroll even if dealt 3 of a kind, you know you sat too long I think.

I'm sure I will plunk myself down at that table, but I will apologize in advance for just playing a few hands.

That's why I quit playing table games...too easy to cheat (both for the house and for the player)

Quote: TIMSPEED

That's why I quit playing table games...too easy to cheat (both for the house and for the player)

Exactly right - for dealers, for floor supervision, for surveillance, and for the players - it's as if too many of us are both perpretrators and victims of it all when we involve ourselves in it, wrecking table games for everyone.
It is exactly what brings tables games down, both in practice and in promotion/endorsement of this negative crap.

Not a great game, in my opinion. Money-eater. I wouldn't get started on it. Hold out for a good Pai Gow or BJ game.

Quote: odiousgambit

Sort of interesting how things might not sink in right away.

In case anyone is still interested, what I wrote before is not right. For one thing, I missed the fact that the betting is "either/or" ; so this is two games in one, not really a side bet situation. However, due to the 'element of risk' factor, it seems that the real HE, if that is the way to express it, is lower for the "ante" bet. Since I wound up looking at the details in Gambling 102 this was missed due to the simpler view that it has!

Now I am back to thinking the pair plus bet is out. Not being required to do both, why risk more without gaining better HE?

The flashing dealer factor: hardly worth hoping for but the game is so simple to play, looking for this just automatic, no? The pair plus bet again just becomes a distraction. I'd say with a flashing dealer, this has a chance to be a bankroll preserver anyway. I would have to assume at least two dealers will alternate, so to have more than one flashing is too much to ask for surely. To bet substantially more heavily with one than the other might be too obvious to last, so that has to be finessed.

PS: you'd also be able to better keep an eye on the ante bonus pays, something that Nareed warned in a different thead was potentially a big problem.

Quote: teddys

Not a great game, in my opinion. Money-eater. I wouldn't get started on it. Hold out for a good Pai Gow or BJ game.

True - it's very volitile, not a pushy game. On a $5 table betting three spots, I have quickly chewed through a few buy-ins.
But, I have also won big. Once I hit AKQ diamonds mini-Royal on the first hand, then going up to black, hit a pair of 7's - followed by three Queens. Yikes - made $2,300 from a $100 buy-in in seconds betting the side bets.

Ruined me for life.

No regrets playing 3C here and there, it's one of my big three personal favs, along with craps and Pai Gow Poker.

Edit; one interesting thing done in downtown LV casinos, namely the California, is that they slip in the cut card while the dealer's hand is still in the shuffler tray, so when it is pulled, it cannot be hole-carded. Very elegant solution. Drats!, say many. Good, I say.

Also got to add:
Three Card Poker has about 1,500 installs world-wide. A Number One hit.
What we think about the game in our ivory tower here doesn't always correlate to what the gambling public thinks or likes.

There are more McDonald's than fancy Steak Houses.

If playing more than one spot in 3CP, do you have to play the other spots blind?

I know its done that way in Caribbean Stud Poker, even if you promise not to share the information with yourself, lol. :)

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Quote: EdgeLooker

If playing more than one spot in 3CP, do you have to play the other spots blind?

I know its done that way in Caribbean Stud Poker, even if you promise not to share the information with yourself, lol. :)

In places that do, it is generally yes, play blind on the second hand. Most places in LV simply enforce "you can play only one spot."

Quote: odiousgambit

Might play some 3 card poker in a couple of weeks at the Greenbrier in WV. They have that but not pai gow poker. So if I am not in the mood to play BJ or Craps [the latter is evenings only anyway], might try 3CP. Sure looks simple enough. I'm a little worried that I could be mistaken, that since no real skill is involved it is in fact not a good game for bankroll preservation like PGP. Any opinions are certainly welcome.

My opinion - you're a complete moron to play. But keep subsidizing the FP video poker - we appreciate it.

Quote: Paigowdan

In places that do, it is generally yes, play blind on the second hand. Most places in LV simply enforce "you can play only one spot."

Um, never seen that. You play one hand, then play the next. Some places put a token over the second hand to keep you from looking at both at once or mixing the two hands, but most casinos let you play them sequentially, and looking at both. And I've never seen a casino limit a player to one hand, even when players are looking for seats and there's a house policy of one hand in that situation, it is rarely enforced anywhere.

Quote: dm

My opinion - you're a complete moron to play.

A little harsh I think, but to lower further your opinion of me, I am reversing myself and now thinking the thing to do is play the "pair-plus" only. The variance is too low on "ante" and your average bet has to be something like 1.8 times what you have to put down for pair-plus [which probably goes faster though]. If I have it right, a player gives up some more HE modified by element of risk, but you this should not mean EV in this case due to size of the bets. The variance has to be better and variance is the only chance you've got. So I'm thinking a player could sit down for a few hands and try to get lucky; you have to give a game like this up immediately if lady luck vacates, IMO.

If it makes you feel any better, I am mostly just checking the game out to say I have done it. If I lose any money at it worth sneezing at I will give you a baseball bat and allow you to just beat the s**t out of me and I will say Thank You.

Quote: Mosca

Um, never seen that. You play one hand, then play the next. Some places put a token over the second hand to keep you from looking at both at once or mixing the two hands, but most casinos let you play them sequentially, and looking at both. And I've never seen a casino limit a player to one hand, even when players are looking for seats and there's a house policy of one hand in that situation, it is rarely enforced anywhere.

Mosca,

What is the most hands you have seen a person play at the same time? I wonder if anyone was allowed to play all 7 seats? (Knowing all that information would be a huge advantage of course)

Quote: EdgeLooker

Mosca,

What is the most hands you have seen a person play at the same time? I wonder if anyone was allowed to play all 7 seats? (Knowing all that information would be a huge advantage of course)

Most I've seen is two.

Quote: dm

My opinion - you're a complete moron to play. But keep subsidizing the FP video poker - we appreciate it.

You're a moron to gamble at all if that is to be said and believed. Or brilliant if you've played and won, even if it is not other peoples' experiences.
It's all POV - point of view and personal preferences. Some people get a countless fun value from playing with a chance (not a guarantee) to win.

It's like saying that my exilir - or my poison - is tastier than yours.

As for seeing/not seeing certain things on standard games, such allowing/not allowing to play a second hand at Three card poker, keeping a middle and low pair together with a king instead of splitting (local house way variances in Pai Gow Poker), or using a fully wild joker instead of a "bug" joker in Southern California, etc....

Casino players and casino operators are very subject to local and area conditions, like regional dialects, it's uncanny.

Quote: Paigowdan

As for seeing/not seeing certain things on standard games, such allowing/not allowing to play a second hand at Three card poker....

Casino players and casino operators are very subject to local and area conditions, like regional dialects, it's uncanny.

It absolutely may be just an east coast thing. It's widespread here.

Perhaps so. Here in Vegas it's "One hand or the highway..."
Another East coast thing is their Pai Gow house ways; when I see a player keeping 7's and 3's together with a King, I know he played a lot in Atlantic City or Connecticut...treating the bug card as a totally wild joker - a SoCal thing....
There is a lot of leeway under the main basic rules of particular games