Tiltpoul
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July 23rd, 2011 at 10:13:18 AM permalink
As I made my way back to the midwest casinos in Council Bluffs, IA and Kansas City, MO, I noticed something VERY strange. Three Card Poker, the once bustling table game with three or four tables open at any given time, is starting to disappear from the floor. I've noticed Mississippi Stud at nearly every casino now, and a few of them have two tables of that game.

Ameristar CB didn't appear to have ANY tables left, so I asked the dealer while I was playing Spanish 21 what happened to those tables. He said they got rid of one of them and turned the other into an iTable. (For those who are not familiar, these tables use actual cards with actual dealers, but payouts are electronic, as the system knows what everybody has.) He said when that happened, a lot of regular customers stopped playing 3-card, since they don't trust the machines. I pointed out that there was no difference, but that it just moved faster. He agreed, but said that rural type customers don't trust new ways, which growing up in Nebraska I would have to concur.

When I went down to Kansas City, I noticed that Harrah's had two tables (down from three or four) with the 6-card bonus (no Super Royal bonus). Ameristar KC had one table, billed as a "New Game" (they recently added the Progressive game to it). I didn't notice any tables at Isle of Capri (they had a lot of Double-deck games though). Argosy had one table with Progressive on it.

This makes me wonder if the game is going to die a death similar to Double Down Stud or Acey-Deucey/Red Dog. When I was in Vegas, it was being advertised all over the place for the 6-card Super bonus. While Las Vegas is the center of the gambling world, I sometimes wonder if the Midwest casinos are a better gauge for how things are going. Ameristar CB tests out new games ALL the time (i.e. Rabbit Hunter, the new game they are featuring). Ameristar KC had one called 3 Card Split that was kind of fun too.

When most casinos switched to 3-1 on the flush, I stopped playing the game. I will still play if it offer 4-1 on the flush, even if there is a diminished payout elsewhere. I wonder also how much of an effect that has had on the game. I know most casual gamblers don't know or care, but experienced people probably stopped playing it. Furthermore, with less winnings means less time on a game, so even a casual gambler will experience losses faster.

I'm curious to hear the response on this. I found it very peculiar to see so few tables in play.
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buzzpaff
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July 23rd, 2011 at 10:24:42 AM permalink
" Ask not for whom the bell tolls , it tolls for thee" All table games are going to be digital with a few exceptions, for the
" OLD GEEZER " market, in the near future. SIGH
OneAngryDwarf
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July 23rd, 2011 at 10:40:09 AM permalink
I would amend that to the "old geezer" and "rich people" market. Something tells me High-Limit rooms will likely keep the old-school chips and cards, at least for the foreseeable future, even if the main floor goes all-electronic.

Related question: Has anyone ever actually seen an auto-shuffler, or even a continuous shuffler, in use in a High-Limit room? I want to say there's a casino in Vegas that does it, but I can't remember which one.
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July 23rd, 2011 at 11:27:37 AM permalink
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buzzpaff
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July 23rd, 2011 at 11:55:35 AM permalink
Same here. But the again I hate cell phones too. But the casinos are intent on reducing overhead and younger players seem
not to object to digital tables,
Mosca
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July 23rd, 2011 at 12:05:48 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul


When most casinos switched to 3-1 on the flush, I stopped playing the game. I will still play if it offer 4-1 on the flush, even if there is a diminished payout elsewhere. I wonder also how much of an effect that has had on the game. I know most casual gamblers don't know or care, but experienced people probably stopped playing it. Furthermore, with less winnings means less time on a game, so even a casual gambler will experience losses faster.



This. What this did was make it go from an OK payout for a carnival game (2% element of risk on the basic game, 2.38% house edge on the bonus) to possibly the worst payout for a carnival card game (7.1% house edge on the bonus). After a while even the punters and the dregs can tell when their money is evaporating too fast.

For comparison, Let it Ride gets slagged pretty good by those in the know. But the basic bet has a house edge of around 3.5%, and at Borgata in AC, the same pairs-plus bet has a house edge of only 2.16%. Caribbean has an element of risk of 2.55%. Four Card Poker with simple strategy is 3.39% he, with 3.89% he on the most common Aces Up pay table.
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Tiltpoul
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July 23rd, 2011 at 2:02:54 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

All table games are going to be digital with a few exceptions, for the " OLD GEEZER " market, in the near future. SIGH



That's what I find so funny about the iTables. They still use real cards who are actually dealt by live dealers. This is in contrast to what I saw at Indiana Live! where the dealers stood there for moral support; they did not even touch any buttons. The thread to Indiana Live! discusses this is a bit more detail.

Ameristar CB deserves some props for being innovative in table games, especially for the Midwest. But if what the dealer said is true (that 3 card gets no action anymore), as a casino manager, I would be tearing the touchscreens out myself in favor of a good ole fashioned table. Then again, if 3-card is dying, then I suppose why prolong the death. Make it swift and painless and digital.
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July 23rd, 2011 at 2:08:26 PM permalink
Casino Niagara switched out one of their 3CP pokers to MS.
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buzzpaff
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July 23rd, 2011 at 6:31:21 PM permalink
After 14 months of darkness, Casino MonteLago , the social hub of the Lake Las Vegas golf resort community, reopened at 9 p.m. Thursday to a burst of fireworks.

The small casino closed in March 2010, a victim of the battered economy in a challenging Henderson location some 20 miles from the Strip. Despite a local economy still in the dumps, a new management team expects to do better by operating lean, with fewer gambling machines and employees.
Customers stood two deep, waiting for one of the 275 slot machines or seven electronic table games to open up.

The casino's winery decor looks much the same as before, but with a twist: There are no live dealers dealing cards or spinning roulette wheels, only machines programmed to do so - among several moves to lower labor costs.

Like it or not, the new business plan for smaller casinos.
AlanRRT
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July 23rd, 2011 at 10:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

" Ask not for whom the bell tolls , it tolls for thee" All table games are going to be digital with a few exceptions, for the
" OLD GEEZER " market, in the near future. SIGH



There's a reason I play tables rather than slots (well, besides the better odds), it's a whole lot more fun interacting with other players rather than sitting in front of an inanimate machine. Does that make me an old geezer? I sure hope not, if Las Vegas turns into all machines, I might as well save the gas money and stay home playing on the computer. (Just for the record, I've never played for money on an internet casino in my life.)

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