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etablegames
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July 6th, 2011 at 4:03:15 PM permalink
I would like to hear your opinion about dealer's capability in "math addition". Most dealers can deal blackjack very well. Besides experiences, another reason is that he / she does not have to worry about any number > 21. Poker does not involve any "addition". Baccarat at most requires the addition of 3 cards (may be 4, I don't know, never play it). If there is a Baccarat-like scoring system that uses the rightist number of the sum of 3 cards, based upon your experiences, do you think an average dealer can add any 3 cards correctly and quickly? For example, score [8,9,7] = 4, score [6,9,8] = 3, score [T, 3,8] =1 and [8,7,4] =9. Please vote on the list above.
DJTeddyBear
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July 6th, 2011 at 4:18:33 PM permalink
Dealers are taught all the little tricks to make math almost unnecessary to their job.

This involves not only being able to add the value of three cards (a function that can't seem to grasp when at a BJ table), but also the number of chips for complex payouts.

Mind you, I said "Number of chips". That's sometimes easier than mentally converting them to dollars and paying off the result.

For example: If you get a BJ with a $5 bet, the payout is, depending on the table rules, one red and one pink, or one red and one white.

Sure, it gets trickier when you get a BJ with a $35 bet out there, but usually, you're not betting $35 with a break-in dealer.
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FleaStiff
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July 6th, 2011 at 4:19:19 PM permalink
Sometimes trainee dealers in a class will get a sudden math test or their will be a simple arithmetic test on the application. Scores do not have to be and seldom are perfect.
By the time they've been dealing for a while they are probably sharp on math but a sudden change by the Pencil might place them on a different game some night and who knows what they might do from habit or boredom or whatever.
Of course even a break in dealer is better at math than I am so it makes little difference to me.
DonPedro
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July 7th, 2011 at 2:34:36 PM permalink
Experienced dealers near perfect and fast !! Anytime there is a question, happy to call floor and back out the cards or check the video. No big deal !!

Just this past week, I caught a dealer mistake after he already paid the table. He was very thankfull, and told me it saved him a write up !!

I have caught a few mistakes, a few were wins- now losses, and a few losses that were now wins. Never w/a big bet out though, I think both player and dealer focus a bit more when there is a big bet out.

I have also been wrong , I thought there was a mistake, and I was wrong !!

Green horns- of course very slow and many mistakes. I often help them w/ rules, payouts, procedure, etc. .

I tell them to slow down and make sure everything is right and no one will get mad, at least we can hope. LOL
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AZDuffman
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July 7th, 2011 at 2:41:11 PM permalink
Freequent breaks are key. When I deal parties after an hour your brain is mush and first grade math becomes something you think about. This is why before being accepted to casino school they had a math test. If you aren't great fresh imagine after a few hours.

As to "counting cheques vs counting money" you need to do both. In BJ you may only need to size in, but at craps you have to know both and be able to decide which to do as play goes on. 2:1 free odds is easy, but 6:5 might be easier paid by knowing the payout. 7:6 you always set the stack so paying is a snap--five on the base and a "cap" of one offset, then pay the "total plus the cap." One guy was amazed when I showed him that one, and I admit unless someone showed me I would have never figured it out.
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buzzpaff
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July 7th, 2011 at 8:30:08 PM permalink
In Dealers school one days we spent hours recognizing 3 card 21's. Every time I go to Blackhawk I am amazed at how sloppy dealers are, Even with the $100 limit now. And dealers still cheat and turned last card of a 4 or 5 card 21 sideways so they don't have to count it again. And I have just accepted the fact I will be paid with " dirty money " over and over again.
AZDuffman
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July 8th, 2011 at 4:13:05 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

In Dealers school one days we spent hours recognizing 3 card 21's. Every time I go to Blackhawk I am amazed at how sloppy dealers are, Even with the $100 limit now. And dealers still cheat and turned last card of a 4 or 5 card 21 sideways so they don't have to count it again. And I have just accepted the fact I will be paid with " dirty money " over and over again.



I'd blame management there. I don't care how I get paid as long as it is correct. If management does not care about game protection, what do I care?
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RoyalBJ
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July 18th, 2011 at 12:22:14 PM permalink
A lot of dealers make mistakes and they don't care. When they pay players more than necessary, they can make more tips. Agree?
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