New Table Games - How Long Do They Last?
How long do they last on average? I know that each inventor is hoping that their game will become the next big thing and millions of people will transition to their game, but I would argue that a lot gamblers already have their favorites? Who is the target market for these games? People just looking for something fun and new? How would you go about creating a game that will be around for the next 100+ years?
Then generally, we're all just gone.
It is an absolute blood bath.
With the exception of three card poker, we all hit the curb - neck first. Name a new game:
- Carribean stud
- Let it Ride
- SuperFun-21
- Pai Gow Thrill
- Hi-Low Pai gow
- Two Fisted Poker
- Fortune Teller Blackjack
- Deuces Wild Hold 'em Fold em Poker (on life support with Stations...)
- And several new games I am scared for.
Nothing sticks after a year and a few games out. Maybe Blackjack Switch, a fine new game.
Heads down in the gutter after massive investment, for the most part.
The Fire bet for craps and some "refusing-to-die" blackjack side bets are just bearly doing all right, along with some proprietary games from Roger at SMI. Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, clearly. That's about it.
Nothing is really replacing Craps, Standard BJ, Roulette, Baccarat, and Pai Gow Poker.
We are all getting our faces kicked in, left and right.
We have hopes for Pai Gow-8, Hong Kong Poker, a dice progressive bet, and...that's about it.
I'm gettting some headway with EZ Pai Gow, as is EZ Baccarat.
But otherwise it is all fucking brutal.
100 years from now a mental bet might be converted into currency. Just look at a few change from the year 1910.
The population of Las Vegas , Nevada , was only 30! Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. The target market for new table game is mostly restricted to those already playing table games. Slots RULE, pure and simple. What is the ratio of slot machines to Crap tables? I am guessing in excess of a 1000 to 1.
Quote: buzzpaffThe reason the games are varieties of poker,blackjack, craps, etc is twofold. First is that the inventors hope to improve an existing game. Second is that you need to be able to explain the rules and process of any new game in a very short time to attract a new player. As has been stated many times here before, if craps were to be introduced today, it could not succeed. Hold'em poker is very popular today, but look around your local poker room and see if anyone is playing 5 card stud. Even the late Edward G Robinson and Steve McQueen can resurrect that game. BJ's demise is fueled not only by anti-counting rules tightening but it is graying. Does anyone reading this know how to plat Faro ??
100 years from now a mental bet might be converted into currency. Just look at a few change from the year 1910.
The population of Las Vegas , Nevada , was only 30! Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. The target market for new table game is mostly restricted to those already playing table games. Slots RULE, pure and simple. What is the ratio of slot machines to Crap tables? I am guessing in excess of a 1000 to 1.
No. Just no.
100 years ago, Roulette, Backjack, and poker were established and becoming entrenched.
In 1910 John H. Winn's "crap number" dice game was brought forth, and fully replaced Hazard dice by the 1930's, and Blackjack replaced Faro.
Game over - and game's been over.
Aside from the Fire bet added to craps, and blackjack side bets slapped onto that game, and the addition to Pai Gow poker that I've added to, nothing's been added, aside from some poker games that Roger Snow from Shufflemaster added to.
After 100 years, it's still basically dice, Blackjack, Roulette, and poker, minor variations aside.
We are trying very hard.
YES AND NO YES AND NO YES AND NO
Lets start with BJ. Per John Scarne in 1961 all BJ games in Vegas were SD and hand dealt. Scarne himself suggested to the gaming commission that BJ should be dealt from a 4 deck dealer's box (shoe) etc. Not to protect the house from counters, but the customer's from cheating dealers. In the 50's when my Dad got cataracts and could not drive a cab anymore, I supported our family working after school in a grocery store and dealing 5 card stud in back of poolroom on weekends. 5 CARD STUD, not Hold'em.
From 1825 to 1915, the game of FARO was the most popular enticement in almost every gambling hall in the American West. Due to the extremely low odds for the house, legitimate Faro was virtually gone by 1925. By the 1950's there were only five active faro banks known to have been in existence in Nevada , the last of which was in Reno and closed in 1985.
Roulette and Craps are just reminders of the past. They contribute very little to the bottom line as a casino. And the so-called husband - wife effect ( she's Playing slots while I shoot craps ) is BS. Like she would not play slots at all then LOL.
How many young adults can afford to sit down at a $10 BJ table ( if he can find one ). If Bj Craps and Roulettes are not dying why are there no card readers at BJ tables. Cause nobody investing money in a dying game. I don't see pagers handed out for a seat at any table game but poker.
Don't see baccarat listed in your list. Seems Paco posted a chart about those revenues versus Bj lately !
Quote: Paigowdan
With the exception of three card poker, we all hit the curb - neck first. Name a new game:
- Carribean stud
- Let it Ride
- SuperFun-21
- Pai Gow Thrill
- Hi-Low Pai gow
- Two Fisted Poker
- Fortune Teller Blackjack
- Deuces Wild Hold 'em Fold em Poker (on life support with Stations...)
- And several new games I am scared for.
Nothing sticks after a year and a few games out. Maybe Blackjack Switch, a fine new game.
In the Midwest, the game that has a lot of traction going for it right now is Mississippi Stud. I've seen it placed in nearly every casino, taking LIR or THE Bonus. Some casinos even have two tables to accommodate the demand for the game. Does it have lasting power? I don't think so. People who would exclusively play that game will go broke in a couple back-to-back bad sessions. I will say that it might be regional though, as its big payouts and frequency of pushes that could turn into more make it appealing to the midwestern gambler. I play it like I do a slot machine... I take 100, and if it hits, awesome, if not, I enjoy it enough to play it for a while.
Btw, Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, IN got rid of ALL their BJ Switch tables (like three of them I think), in favor of putting MS Stud and BJ with Lucky Ladies.
Quote: Paigowdan
The Fire bet for craps and some "refusing-to-die" blackjack side bets are just bearly doing all right, along with some proprietary games from Roger at SMI. Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, clearly. That's about it.
Again, as with MS Stud, UTH has a lot of staying power in the midwest casinos. I know that it's the bigger markets they go after, but if a wide-range of people play some of these games, eventually that demand will trickle into the big markets. Incidentally, I love UTH. It's about the only table game outside craps and BJ I will play for an extended period of time.
Quote: Paigowdan
Nothing is really replacing Craps, Standard BJ, Roulette, Baccarat, and Pai Gow Poker.
We are all getting our faces kicked in, left and right.
We have hopes for Pai Gow-8, Hong Kong Poker, a dice progressive bet, and...that's about it.
I'm gettting some headway with EZ Pai Gow, as is EZ Baccarat.
Congrats on EZ Pai Gow by the way. EZ Baccarat I think DOES have the power to overtake or at least make a good run at regular Baccarat. Certainly, not in the high limit rooms, or even the Asian themed rooms, but on the casino floor, I think it does have the power to overtake Baccarat. It's very simple with no commission, and in a world where calculators are everywhere, people don't want to have to figure out the 5%. It's a really sad state of our country, but that's another topic altogether.
